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FortuitousFluke said:
Well unless the other inmates are corpses I'm not sure you really have a valid argument, but who am I to argue with a qualified medical professional. Carry on Doctor.

In terms of the efficacy of the lobotomy, amputation will cure a sore finger, but I'd rather take some painkillers.
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I may not be a doctor, but I do have personal experience of incurably mentally ill people.

Your analogy needs to be put a slightly different way in order to reflect the reality of the situation.

Firstly, the sore finger will never get better. It will always hurt, and the severity of the pain will prevent you from leading anything approaching a normal life.

Amputation is a theoretical option, but the odds are that (say) 60% that you will get better, 15% that it will make no difference, and 25% that it will actually make you worse! In practice it will not be an option because nobody will be willing to operate on those odds nowadays.

The alternative is painkillers.

However, you will have to take the painkillers for the rest of your life, and the side effects!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

You will get Parkinsons disease, your eyesight will be damaged and you will start the day, every day for the rest of your life, feeling that you have been forced to shotgun 4 cans of Special Brew for breakfast!

Which option would you chose now?
 
NoNameNoNumber said:
How does this compare to rape of a living person?
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Interested in this too, regards sentencing.

Shouldn't be as severe a punishment, I tend to feel, as the harm aspect is less. There not being a direct victim, just a body.

I guess there might be more likelihood of there being a mental health issue attached.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
So you think this guy should be killed so you can save yourself a fraction of a penny each year?

Or are you being the holy knight advocating murder so that all of us taxpayers can save a fraction of a penny each?
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In all seriousness,

What exactly DO you think should be done with people who are really never going ever to be of any use either to themselves or anybody else and who are, while still alive, likely to be a horrendously costly problem to indefinitely maintain?

(I am not necessarily advocating execution here, but it IS a question that needs to be answered!)
 
I would rather keep them in a padded room, than killing them or mutilating their brain as suggested earlier in the thread.

Each person costs next to nothing for each of us but the cost builds up. Even more money in mental health. Reduce the irredeemable ones to a minimum. Those who are left can be locked in a padded cell. A small price to pay for not living in a country where death or mutilation is a form of justice.
 
Orionaut said:
I may not be a doctor, but I do have personal experience of incurably mentally ill people.

Your analogy needs to be put a slightly different way in order to reflect the reality of the situation.

Firstly, the sore finger will never get better. It will always hurt, and the severity of the pain will prevent you from leading anything approaching a normal life.

Amputation is a theoretical option, but the odds are that (say) 60% that you will get better, 15% that it will make no difference, and 25% that it will actually make you worse! In practice it will not be an option because nobody will be willing to operate on those odds nowadays.

The alternative is painkillers.

However, you will have to take the painkillers for the rest of your life, and the side effects!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

You will get Parkinsons disease, your eyesight will be damaged and you will start the day, every day for the rest of your life, feeling that you have been forced to shotgun 4 cans of Special Brew for breakfast!

Which option would you chose now?
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Well if we're talking about me making an informed decision about my own treatment then I'd need a range of information. First of, of those 25% (and I've seen figures that suggest failure rates were as high as 50%) how probable is it that I'm going to end up like Rosemary Kennedy? Then you've got the other side effects mentioned, how likely is it that I will develop long term issues from standard treatment, over what timeframe, what mitigation is available, is it a long enough timeframe that developments in pharma tech could improve the prognosis either of my illness or my treatment. I can't give you a genuine answer as I have never suffered from mental illness and I think it's one of those few circumstances where you genuinely can't say what your reaction will be until it happens.

I mean either way it looks a bit like you're applying worse case scenarios to this guy without actually knowing his diagnosis or likely treatment. Obviously for some people with mental illness it might feel like a lobotomy is the way to go, however, as you said the chances of finding a willing Doctor are slim as the medical profession now consider the alternatives to be much more suitable treatments.

My main issue is with the suggestion that because he's shagged a corpse while burglarising a funeral parlour we should cut out a bit of his brain in order to fix him. Maybe try the less invasive stuff first and see what happens. I mean we could go straight for the old choppy choppy but if we start applying that evenly there are a lot of compulsive criminals or criminals with mental health issues that inform their offending who are likely to be a bit lighter in the cranium following their next court date.
 
Orionaut said:
I may not be a doctor, but I do have personal experience of incurably mentally ill people.

Your analogy needs to be put a slightly different way in order to reflect the reality of the situation.

Firstly, the sore finger will never get better. It will always hurt, and the severity of the pain will prevent you from leading anything approaching a normal life.

Amputation is a theoretical option, but the odds are that (say) 60% that you will get better, 15% that it will make no difference, and 25% that it will actually make you worse! In practice it will not be an option because nobody will be willing to operate on those odds nowadays.

The alternative is painkillers.

However, you will have to take the painkillers for the rest of your life, and the side effects!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

You will get Parkinsons disease, your eyesight will be damaged and you will start the day, every day for the rest of your life, feeling that you have been forced to shotgun 4 cans of Special Brew for breakfast!

Which option would you chose now?
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Let's take the analogy full circle. The finger is now a part of your brain. I think I'll take the side effects
 
NoNameNoNumber said:
Semi serious question btw... Will he be sentenced according to regular rape + a bit for burglary or is it deemed much worse?
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Section 70 of the Sexual offences Act 2003 - Sexual penetration of a corpse. If he gets tried at Magistrates court - Maximum 6 months imprisonment and a fine. If he goes up the steps to Crown Court - Maximum 2 years imprisonment.

For the Burglary (other than a dwelling), at Crown Court, up to 10 years imprisonment.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
So you think this guy should be killed so you can save yourself a fraction of a penny each year?

Or are you being the holy knight advocating murder so that all of us taxpayers can save a fraction of a penny each?
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State execution as being advocated here isn't murder.
 
Devrij said:
Let's take the analogy full circle. The finger is now a part of your brain. I think I'll take the side effects
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I accept that it would be a tough call.

However...

https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/drugs-and-treatments/antipsychotics/side-effects/

The side effects of the meds made my friend utterly miserable, which is why she would stop taking them.

This is why "Community Care" doesn't really work terribly well. A lot of the time Schizophrenics will stop taking their meds because the side effects are so horrible.

They will be ok for a while, but will gradually go mad.

My friend operated on a sort of 6 month cycle.

She would stop taking her meds, then she would, slowly over a month or so, go mad, then she would be sectioned and packed off to the nut-house. Then she would be got back under control and allowed to go back home, she would carry on with the meds for a while but eventually she would stop taking them.

And then, as the saying goes, "Rinse and Repeat"

Eventually she went round the loop one time too many and she never came back :(

It was heartbreaking really :(

On a good day She was intelligent, educated, articulate and really quite talented. She could play the Guitar, sing, paint and write poetry.

On a Bad day she assaulted her neighbor because she had convinced herself that he was putting poison in her milk!

She ended up permanently detained in a secure nursing home reduced to little more than a thorazine zombie :(

The meds will turn your brain to sludge too eventually, so in some ways it isn't really an either/or situation.

Although my original comment was a bit tongue in cheek, the more I think about it, the more I am concluding that psycosurgery should be re-investigated.

The "Ice pick" lobotomies of 70 years ago were astonishingly crude procedures which destroyed large amounts of brain material on a pretty random basis at a time when knowledge of how the brain actually functioned was far more limited than it is today.

Today, I would have thought, with the use of PET scans etc, "Faulty" areas of the brain would be far more accurately identified and surgery to (Say) cauterise it with a suitable probe, similar to how heart arrhythmias are sometimes treated, could be performed in a far more precise and vastly less destructive manner.

I do think it is actually an area worthy of further study.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Aston, Birmingham, anyone would do well to make it out of that slum without being ****** up.
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Lol, I have a story, I'll make it quick.
It concerns my posh financial advisor millionaire drummer (now deceased) and one of my Brummie mates from work.
At a gig they recognised each other, got talking and it just so happened they grew up and lived next door to each other in Aston.
They joked that they had both 'done good' getting out of Aston because not many do.
My drummer had learned how to talk posh (accentless) and refused to ever talk with his Brummie accent :)
 
NoNameNoNumber said:
How does this compare to rape of a living person?
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Reminds me of the one about the two guys who hadn’t seen each other for years, first one said, “How’s things?”
Second one said, “Well, I think my wife’s dead.”
“You THINK she’s dead, how do you mean?”
“The sex is the same, but the ironing’s piling up.”
 
Another sick ****

Police in Arizona say they have arrested a nurse after a patient at a care facility gave birth.

The suspect has been named as Nathan Sutherland, 36, who worked at the Hacienda Healthcare clinic.

He is being charged with one count of sexual assault and one count of abusing a vulnerable adult.

The woman in a vegetative state since she was a toddler is a patient in a clinic run by Hacienda HealthCare near Phoenix.

A local CBS station said the baby was healthy and quoted a source as saying that staff had been unaware the woman was pregnant.

The woman has not been identified.

It quoted a source as saying: "None of the staff were aware that she was pregnant until she was pretty much giving birth."

The source said the woman required round-the-clock care and many people had access to her room.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46978297
 
I was wondering if it would be that story when I saw the thread bump^^^^

I remember reading about this previously, glad they caught him.... wonder if he was a fan of the Kill Bill movies or something.
 
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