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Hi all,

I've been made redundant from work and I have nothing better to do than tweak the nads off my new budget rig.... and get drunk
I stripped my old rig for bits and now have two type of mem:-

2x1GB OCZ Reapers 8500 HPC
2x1GB Corsair XMS2 8500

Ive got my timings at 5-5-5-15 but cant get them higher than 980Mhz with volts @ 2.15. Can I loosen the timings to get a better bandwidth via higher speed or shall I be grateful that they have gone this far without setting on fire:D

Scotty
 
Scotty, not enough info mate :( (voltages, temps that sort of thing)

You could try a bit more north bridge voltage, and/or drop to 5,5,5,18
Run cpuz and see what the timings are for both sets then try memset to clock to the slowest one, the list has quite a few options,

Including checking if the bios has an update that is more compatable to 4gb than the one you are using

You could be held back by the:
Ram
CPU
Motherboard
PSU
or temps
or any combination
 
mem voltage is 2.15v - is it safe to go more?
cpu voltage 1.5v - temps are a limit here 65c average peak 75c in Everest (the most stressful for me)
bios is fully updated

I guess the XMS2 is the limiting RAM as the SPD is lower for these but if I just put the Reapers in I get the same sort of issue

I need to configure my mem thro the bios but im confused with the settings (I'll start a new thread for this) at the moment its on auto config!

Thanks
Scotty
 
Scotty, have you tested the kits separately? . . . or even as single sticks?

Also are you running your FSB @ 266MHz (1066MHz System Bus) and using the [1:2] memory divider to get the sticks running at 533MHz (DDR2-1066)? :)
 
I've tested the sticks in pairs , OCZ and Corsair - not singularly, I will do the do and see what results I get.....

Thanks
 
Im using 5:4 divider at the moment - adjusting the FSB forces me to adjust the ratio so that it keeps the RAM under 980MHz
 
Ok, the really easy approach to this is . . . . don't make things more complicated than they need to be, you can have everything the way you want it but you gotta be patient and take things a bit slower . . .

What your doing at the moment is overclocking too many things at the same time and eventually that's gonna do your brains in! :p

What I suggest you do is put some time aside for memory testing, and only memory testing, try to remove as many complications as possible so you are able to focus on the memory and memory related setting so that when something goes wrong it's easy to put right! :)

You need to find out how your memory works, what voltages it needs at various speeds/timings and once youve done that you can take that info and work it into the overall overclock . . . .at the moment your getting in a lather because your doing too much at once!

Im using 5:4 divider at the moment - adjusting the FSB forces me to adjust the ratio so that it keeps the RAM under 980MHz
You may be suprised to learn but when you change memory dividers there is a lot of other stuff in the background that gets adjusted also. The [5:4] memory divider is fine tuned to perform the follow function:

  • It assumes you are running at 266MHz-FSB (1066 System Bus)
  • It assumes you are using DDR2-666
Obviously you are not running a FSB of 266MHz and your certainly not using DDR2-666 are you? . . . but your computer thinks you are and sets a few internal chipset timings quite tight, they are tight because they are making up for the low speed. If the computer knows you are gonna be running faster FSB frequencies it will loosen some of these timings . . . you don't wanna be doing both at the same time i.e low FSB defaults with a very high FSB because your gonna go bOnkers trying to work out the problems heh! :p

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If you don't mind putting some time aside for memory testing I can help you. It would be handy if you can reset your overclock and start again, this time around hold your horses when you reach 266MHz-FSB because that's the speed you need to get your sticks running at DDR2-1066 using the [1:2] memory divider. Once you have tested the memory at 533MHz and it is running error free with the correct voltage you won't have to worry about the memory being a problem in the grand-scheme of your overclock! :cool:

Look at this diagram a few times and see if the penny drops, all the dividers are back to front in the picture to as they would appear in CPU-z but they are right, its cpu-z thats the wrong way round! :o

Just to keep things really simple for the moment you can see the three pink areas are all for DDR2-1066

266MHz FSB x 2 / 1 = 533MHz RAM
333MHz FSB x 8 / 5 = 533MHz RAM
400MHz FSB x 4 / 3 = 533MHz RAM

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For testing I've suggested you use the 266MHz-FSB as it's well tuned, you only have to stay at that FSB speed *until* you are really comfy with your memory and understand what volts it needs. You could possible bump up from 266Mhz-FSB to 333MHz-FSB and use the [8:5] memory divider.

I'll stick with you until your happy that your ram is running sweetly and if I have anything to do with it we will try and get then using very little volts! :cool:

Once that's out the way you can get back to your *overall* overclocking! :cool:
 
Keep in mind also that you are not going to be able to clock 4 modules as fast as you can 2 modules. And, in this case if it has not been mentioned, you are more likely going to need to increase the memory controller as opposed to the memory voltage. Each module still only needs its rated voltage. The memory controller is what sees the heavier load of 4 modules.
 
Each module still only needs its rated voltage.
Yellowbeard, in your experience have you found that DDR2-1066 memory runs fine with lower than advertsied voltages?

Out of the sets I tested a few of them were Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066 and like the Kingston Hyper-X's they ran at full speed with minimal voltages?

I did try 1.8vDimm, 1.82vDimm and 1.84vDimm just in case the lowest settings were faulty and actually over-volted but still they worked great!

I've yet to use some DDR2-1066 that actually needs the rated voltages?

Off Topic:

Also while you hear can you tell me how the Dominators booted in straight away at DDR2-1066 on a few ASUS boards I tried them on? . . .it's the first time I've seen that as normally most kits default to DDR2-800.

Good stuff! :)
 
LOL...I'm an OCer at heart and I never test at low voltages. But, DDR2 has been arou nd a while so it makes sense that more mature IC yeilds are hitting spec a lower voltages.

As far as booting at 1066 vs 800, my guess is it's either an Nvidia chipset based board detecting the EPP profile or, the BIOS includes a default setting that hits JEDEC 1066.
 
Okay, thanks so far!

I reset my o/c and tried to boot in at 266 FSB but couldnt get it to post. Bios tells me DDR volts are at 1.8v. So im gonna do as you described and when I get a bit of time I'll test the sticks seperately at auto volts.

One issue that may arise later is the OCZ is 2.1v and the Corsair is 2.0v

@Yellow Beard The Corsair is rated 5-5-5-15 @400 and the OCZ 5-5-5-15 @533 in the profile list, I guess the auto detect is picking one of these up?

Scotty
 
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We don't make a 1066 part that runs on 2.0v. It's going to be either 2.1v or 2.2v and either voltage is acceptable. In your case, I'd suggest 2.1v for the memory voltage.

If it's a Corsair 1066 part , it's rated at 1066. 5-5-5-15/400 is the default SPD timing.
 
@Yellowbeard, yes youre right its the other way round Corsair 2.1v OCZ 2.0v

I tested the memory seperately and the bios picks the tightest timings (5-5-5-15) possible at 400Mhz for Corsair and 533MHz for OCZ, then sets the voltage at approx 2.1v for both. When they are in together it picks the Corsair timing by default (lower of the two) and set the speed at 400 Mhz
I found a set of timings that I can set in the bios and get the system booted up but Im not sure where to go with those yet.
I guess the timings at 400 and 533 are the reason for the 2.1v as they are rated at 1.8v for slower speed (but tighter timings). The only way I can see me being able to use the correct divider and less volts is to manually enter the values in the bios. And select the volts manually too, I need take a look at looser timings if i need to get the speed up (But is more speed worth the looser timings?) but I need a little help to ensure all the rest of the values are at the correct settings. This is tricky as there are so many I cant figure tham all out.


what do you fellows think?

Scotty
 
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AHHHHHHHYAYAYAYA*Multi-combo head slapping*:mad:

Im needing help here brothers..... Can we break it down into single stages please.

I see how the graph works - im savvy enough at maths to understand the ratio's (even tho thay are back to front))in a manner))

I cant set my ram in the bios to configure it properly - auto settings just select optimal ratios of 5:4 and 5-5-5-15 timings Where do i go from here?

~Scotty
 
Are you still trying to overclock with two different sets of ram?

Have you tested the RAM with a 266MHz-FSB and the sticks running at DDR2-1066?
 
AHHHHHHHYAYAYAYA*Multi-combo head slapping*:mad:
I'm not sure what you are trying to do at this point
I think scotty365 has lost his mind by trying to overclock everything at once and has decided that it's the timings thats the problem! :D

Some people just make a simple thing as complicated as possible, I guess it's the challenge that appeals? :confused:

We can but sit and watch and wonder . . . . :cool:
 
I'm not sure what you are trying to do at this point but, you won't likely get 1066 running 4up. It's going to be even harder with unmatched kits.

Just stick with me here for a moment please....

So 4x1GB is normally slower than 2x2GB even if they are rated the same?(1066)

If so, I think this may be my problem...I can get them to 980MHz(ish) max. do you think thats about right?

I set out with the theory that looser timings will get more speed...is this incorrect?
As my mobo (in auto mode) selects 5-5-5-15 no matter what the speed and ratio(yes, they were tested seperately!:D) I tryed to find manual timings.

~Scotty
 
So 4x1GB is normally slower than 2x2GB even if they are rated the same?(1066)
No it's not slower, its all the same speed. What yellowbeard is saying (I think?) is that to get running 4 seperate sticks running fast is *harder* for the northbridge to cope with and in the worst case scenario you may not be able to get all the sticks running at rated speed.

This is not because of the sticks it's because of the Northbridge. Having said that I have had no problems getting four sticks of DDR2 running at 1066MHz so it is possible just harder in your circumstances because you have *mismatched * memory :D

If so, I think this may be my problem...I can get them to 980MHz(ish) max. do you think thats about right?
If your sticks are rated to run at 533MHz (DDR2-1066) then you should try and get them as close to rated speed as possible, I think the problem you are having is more to do with the Northbridge/motherboard settings not being correct.

I tried to explain to you in the posts above there is an easy way to deal with testing your memory but you seem to have ignored what I said completely!

I set out with the theory that looser timings will get more speed...is this incorrect?
no your right! . . .slackening the memory timings can help achieve a higher frequency as it reduces the workload on *both* the memory and the Northbridge . . .

At this point you are oblivious to how the Northbridge is effecting things . . .

As my mobo (in auto mode) selects 5-5-5-15 no matter what the speed and ratio(yes, they were tested seperately!:D) I tryed to find manual timings.
Those timings are perfectly normal default [SPD] settings for DDR2-1066 and should see you good for the full speed. The motherboard is getting those timings from the memories [SPD] table although you may have two different sets of [SPD] data as you are using two different sets of memory, I think the motherboard sets itself according to the slowest/slackest settings . . .
 
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