Tipping

AJK · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:16

Hyburnate said:
I'm the sort of person that if the bill already has the x% added, to deduct that % and pay it without the tip.

Do you ever do this, then go back and eat in the same place again? Just curious...

wingman · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:16

MikeTheNative said:
I hate that too, tipping is meant for when you feel that the service was exceptionally good, it is not mandatory.

Good, very good, excellent. Whichever. Tips aren't mandatory. Don't feel like you're being pressured into it. It's up to you if you do.

Hyburnate · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:18

AJK said:
Do you ever do this, then go back and eat in the same place again? Just curious...

Why? It's normally only a quid, I mean if they really do, do something outstanding then heck give them the tip, but I can think of people who deserve a tip over someone bringing me food I've paid for.

E. and not forgetting the majority of places make it optional too

tidusjar · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:22

I tip my tattoo artist

wingman · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:24

tidusjar said:
I tip my tattoo artist

That's gotta hurt!

I'll grab my coat...

MrMoonX · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:34

Only ever tip in proper independent restaurants never pizza express et al

robgmun · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:36

a1ex2001 said:
Raymond Lin said:

The Japanese finds tipping is an insult.QUOTE]

while this certainly used to be the case it no longer seems to stop them accepting the tip where 20 years ago they would have refused it. It seems to me that American's have basically gone round the world and extended their silly tipping system regardless of local customs which has now left us in this ridiculous situation where certain workers seem tothink tips are a right not a perk for going above and beyond.

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That's odd as in 2007 when i went to Japan they refused my tip twice.

(Yeah yeah i know, make you're own jokes up it's too obvious for me to write)

jwest · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:36

AJK said:
Not even a remotely comparable one, and if your argument is based on McDonalds offering the same service as a proper restaurant, just give up now.

Not even remotely comparable? a waiter/waitress in a 'proper restaurant' is at the bottom of the food chain (pun intended), they are low skilled and have virtually zero level of responsibility and they get paid to compensate that, so why are they rewarded with a tip.

jwest · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:38

Moses said:
Unless they've taken into account the tipping convention and effectively underpay their staff/pay them a lower basic salary than you'd expect (and charge less) in anticipation of customers tipping?

Is this still legal, I know it was a few years ago, but I thought that loophole had been fixed?

johnny6 · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:41

jwest said:
Not even remotely comparable? a waiter/waitress in a 'proper restaurant' is at the bottom of the food chain (pun intended), they are low skilled and have virtually zero level of responsibility and they get paid to compensate that, so why are they rewarded with a tip.

An individual standing behind a counter punching a few buttons on the till, is not the same as someone serving you at a table whilst striking up a conversation and making recommendations to you. Surely you can see that.

robj20 · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:42

I don't tip ever, they get paid to do there job already.

Atari · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:42

I rarely tip. As others have said, if the waiter/waitress has done a great job or gone above and beyond, I'm quite happy to leave a tip for them. I base it solely on that though, if the food was crap but the service was good then I would tip.

To be fair though, I have seen the gratuity screen flash up on the card machines at 3 out of 4 times, the server will skip that screen anyway.

Glaucus · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:47

Bhaahhhaaa you're funny, McDonalds staff do not do the same job as a decent waiter.
Only tip if its very good service, dislike allready added on tips. Unless its clearly advertised. Then its just part of the cost of the meal.

jwest · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:49

johnny6 said:
An individual standing behind a counter punching a few buttons on the till, is not the same as someone serving you at a table whilst striking up a conversation and making recommendations to you. Surely you can see that.

Of course, but tipping someone for having a conversation with you and making recommendations? that's stupid, I can recommend you plenty of meals in restaurants, I'll even throw in some conversation, but are you going to pay me for it?

elmarko · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:52

johnny6 said:
An individual standing behind a counter punching a few buttons on the till, is not the same as someone serving you at a table whilst striking up a conversation and making recommendations to you. Surely you can see that.

But the expectations of the person behind the counter are higher in terms of productivity - they don't have the time to have a chat & make recommendations.

I don't believe for one minute that bar staff/waiters work any harder than cleaners/checkout workers/warehouse staff or general retail workers to justify specific tipping.

We tip bar staff/waiters because it's culturally acceptable to & they hint for us to.

Personally I'd prefer a good living wage for all & the end of tipping.

wingman · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:53

jwest said:
Of course, but tipping someone for having a conversation with you and making recommendations? that's stupid, I can recommend you plenty of meals in restaurants, I'll even throw in some conversation, but are you going to pay me for it?

If you're the one who brings me my food, then yes.

jwest · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:55

Glaucus said:
Bhaahhhaaa you're funny, McDonalds staff do not do the same job as a decent waiter.
Only tip if its very good service, dislike allready added on tips. Unless its clearly advertised. Then its just part of the cost of the meal.

No, but a decent waiter, as in one working for a Michelin starred restaurant, will be paid well compared to one working in pizza express, so why would you then tip them on top of that.

Staff in McDonald's work just as hard, I'm not saying we should tip them, but I want to know how people can justify tipping certain employees and not others

johnny6 · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:55

jwest said:
Of course, but tipping someone for having a conversation with you and making recommendations? that's stupid, I can recommend you plenty of meals in restaurants, I'll even throw in some conversation, but are you going to pay me for it?

If you were serving me in a restaurant and you added to the experience making the overall experience a positive one then yes. Thats surely the very concept behind tipping in restaurants.

Glaucus · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:57

jwest said:
No, but a decent waiter, as in one working for a Michelin starred restaurant, will be paid well compared to one working in pizza express, so why would you then tip them on top of that.

Staff in McDonald's work just as hard, I'm not saying we should tip them, but I want to know how people can justify tipping certain employees and not others

And the one working in such a place will have years of experience and even education. Ever looked at sommelier qualifications for example.
Because unlike a behind the counter person, a waiter can add to the experience,above and beyond what is required of them.

jwest · 9 Sep 2013 at 13:58

wingman said:
If you're the one who brings me my food, then yes.

It is part of there job you shouldn't reward them for having a basic level of decency