Tips for making an offer on a property?

Ridiculous, the sellers might simply not want to sell for less than the market value. That doesn't make them weird, it makes them sensible. Only desperate sellers will happily loose serious cash. Many sellers may well be but plenty of them are in no rush to sell. Someone might just simply be looking to downsize, or gauge market conditions.

Ridiculous how so? All I said was if they flat out decline your first offer and refuse to negotiate with you they may well not be the easiest people to have done a deal with anyway.

For all you know they may have overpriced the house in an attempt to get more than they know it's worth but are happy with an offer 10% below asking as that is the true market value. You don't ask you don't get.

The sellers of our house weren't desperate at all to sell, they thought it was a fair offer, regardless of what they had listed it for, and spent on the house over the past few years, and were happy to accept it.
 
We bought 6 years ago now with the vendor asking 160, we offered a justifiable 140 due to the works that were needed.
We got the property for £144 and have spend around 20k on the improvements and decorating so we weren't far off :p

Use all the information you can to justify your offer is the only advise I can give :)
If the property has been up for yonks see what info you can get out of the estate agents regarding prior offers.
See how long ago they were and try and use that to your advantage.
 
Pension and retirement funds.

It wouldn't be enough. People would have to increase their contributions - but you can't do that if all your salary is going on rent as it is. For it to work there would have to be a drastic market shift in rents. No way it can happen. Hence house ownership is the only viable solution for the next 100 years and unless some government does something about it the problem is self sustaining.
 
We are in the process of moving (just getting over an issue with solar panels, but that's another thread....)

We had seen a property before putting ours up for sale, which was on the market for £550k

In three months or so if ours going on the market and selling they reduced it to £520k and despite being over our budget we viewed it. During the viewing the vendor explained why they were moving, no rush to sell so although would consider an offer it would have to be very close to the asking as had just dropped the asking price by £30k

Later that day we put in an offer of £470k (90% but £50k under asking) and were politely and expectedly turned down

Two weeks down the line (whilst sorting out solar panel issues) the agent calls out of the blue and says they would accept our offer if £475k! which he never thought they would even consider

Id always go in below asking as personally feel (rightfully or wrongfully) its like cars which you always add a bit on expecting to be offered less .......

Did the same with the house we are progressing on now we offered £5k under asking despite the fact we would happily of offered the asking (and possibly over the asking) if pushed. Luckily we viewed it the day after it came on the market then again two days later and knowing how quick properties go in the area would likely have to move fast or risk losing it
 
the money they saved by renting.

Eh? Everywhere I've lived it's been cheaper to pay a mortgage than rent on a similar house. Even taking into account maintenance costs it's about even, except you end up with an appreciating asset and don't have to worry about being kicked out or your rent going up on 2 month's notice. IF there were stricter rent controls and better protection/rights for tenants then it would maybe work, but that's unlikely to happen in our lifetime or that of our children. The issue we have in this country is that we simply don't have the usable space.
 
Who on earth would want to carry on paying rent into their retirement? Renting is dead money, why anyone would want to spend thousands of pounds paying somebody else's mortgage off is beyond me?!

So you've got somewhere to live. Renting is no more 'dead money' than interest payments and associated fees on a loan. As far paying off someone else's mortgage, what if they have no mortgage? What about all the other services you may use - ever paid an electrician, a plumber, a fitter, a mechanic, a dentist any money? Just paying off their mortgage, that is...
 
Eh? Everywhere I've lived it's been cheaper to pay a mortgage than rent on a similar house. Even taking into account maintenance costs it's about even, except you end up with an appreciating asset and don't have to worry about being kicked out or your rent going up on 2 month's notice. IF there were stricter rent controls and better protection/rights for tenants then it would maybe work, but that's unlikely to happen in our lifetime or that of our children. The issue we have in this country is that we simply don't have the usable space.

The person who originally started this was referring to our european friends. Who tend to rent rather than buy. It's a lot cheaper to rent. I already explained that it doesn't work in this country because rent is a lot higher here than it is in Europe.

Rent is probably high because everything costs more here, but then you are also paid more here than your are in other European countries.

That is the reason why when a lot of people retire they sell up and move to Spain where there pension and money accrued goes 10 times further. For example a colleague of mine has a villa in Portugal. He buys a bottle of wine at the local market for 50 cents (less than 50p). here the same bottle of wine would be what £5.

renting is cheaper than buying in some European nations, the UK isn't one of them.
 
So you've got somewhere to live. Renting is no more 'dead money' than interest payments and associated fees on a loan. As far paying off someone else's mortgage, what if they have no mortgage? What about all the other services you may use - ever paid an electrician, a plumber, a fitter, a mechanic, a dentist any money? Just paying off their mortgage, that is...

Spoken like a true renter ;)

Here's a prime example.

My friend pays £750 rent a month on a house he rents. The house is smaller than ours in a similar location. When I retire my mortgage will be paid, which incidentally is over 100 pounds cheaper than his rent at the moment. When he retires he'll still have a 9k rental bill he's going to have to find from somewhere if he wants to keep living where he does now, I'll have none. Now I'm going to hazard a guess that my maintenance costs are going to be nowhere near 9k a year for my house. So I'll say it again, renting = dead money. Short term renting in between house moves is the only renting I'd ever consider.
 
Renting is no more 'dead money' than interest payments and associated fees on a loan

What a ridiculous statement. At least there's an end goal (final payment) to a loan/mortgage, unlike renting which is never ending. Unfortunately landlords don't tend to care if you're retired or not!
 
Renting is no more 'dead money' than interest payments and associated fees on a loan.

If your smart enough you will have a large enough deposit or go for a cheaper house to keep your interest lower than what the value of the house should increase by.

For example. Does it really matter if your paying £10K a year in interest if the value of the home is rising £20K a year? Your still £10K per year better off than paying zero interest.
 
Who on earth would want to carry on paying rent into their retirement? Renting is dead money, why anyone would want to spend thousands of pounds paying somebody else's mortgage off is beyond me?!


How is renting dead money, ti is giving you the most important thing in you life beyond water, oxygen and food. I guess to you eating is dead money as well?



See as I said earlier int his thread, the British people have to get over this ridiculous idea of having to buy a house.
 
If your smart enough you will have a large enough deposit or go for a cheaper house to keep your interest lower than what the value of the house should increase by.

For example. Does it really matter if your paying £10K a year in interest if the value of the home is rising £20K a year? Your still £10K per year better off than paying zero interest.


House inflation is really not great, especially if you might have to change houses in the future.
 
What a ridiculous statement. At least there's an end goal (final payment) to a loan/mortgage, unlike renting which is never ending. Unfortunately landlords don't tend to care if you're retired or not!


Why does anything end an end goal?

The goal of renting is to provide a roof over you head. Every month you pay your rent and are not evicted you have met your goal.
 
Why does anything end an end goal?

The goal of renting is to provide a roof over you head. Every month you pay your rent and are not evicted you have met your goal.

But why rent when you can get a cheaper mortgage, be several thousand pounds better off a year when you retire and without the threat of being evicted because you can't keep up with the rent payments? I'm sorry but I don't understand your logic?
 
But why rent when you can get a cheaper mortgage, be several thousand pounds better off a year when you retire and without the threat of being evicted because you can't keep up with the rent payments? I'm sorry but I don't understand your logic?


Why buy when you get higher return from stock investments, you have to pay interest, you don't receive dividends, you have to pay stamp duty, legal fees, owners insurance, maintenance, property tax and you have 1 large single investment without diversification to mitigate risks? What happens if house prices drop 50? What happens if interest hits 15%? What happens if you have to move to a different city or even country due to changes in your job?
 
Made a 35% gain on a £200k investment in the last 3 years on my house until I sold it. Paid £200k, sold for £310k. You would be incredibly skilled and a touch lucky if you managed that through investments.
 
Made a 35% gain on a £200k investment in the last 3 years on my house until I sold it. Paid £200k, sold for £310k. You would be incredibly skilled and a touch lucky if you managed that through investments.


You were incredibly lucky that the house prices went up, what if the house prices went down 35%.


It is just a plain fact that a simple stock tracker will provide higher returns than housing in the long term, especially when including dividends. No luck required, that is just a statistical affect of the long term changes in the market. Don't use luck to make decisions when there is empirical evidence contrary.
 
Why buy when you get higher return from stock investments, you have to pay interest, you don't receive dividends, you have to pay stamp duty, legal fees, owners insurance, maintenance, property tax and you have 1 large single investment without diversification to mitigate risks? What happens if house prices drop 50? What happens if interest hits 15%? What happens if you have to move to a different city or even country due to changes in your job?

You seem to be conveniently missing the fact that people have got to have somewhere to live! The biggest monthly cost for most people is housing, why would you want this cost eating into your pension fund/investments when you finally retire?

I'm paying off a mortgage that will eventually end and I will own a property. It's costing me considerably less than it would to rent a similar property around here even with maintenance and owners insurance. I'd say that's a rather excellent investment.

Let's just go through your post one by one.

"you have to pay interest" Yes you do have to pay interest, but I am also paying a not insignificant amount off the mortgage every month too. What are you paying off whilst renting? Oh wait, that's right, somebody elses mortgage!

"You don't receive dividends" No I don't receive dividends, but I do have a roof over my head!

"You have to pay stamp duty/legal fees" Yes you do unfortunately (depending on the purchase price), but that's bulked into the mortgage and the cost will be paid off within a few months. You're then onto paying off the rest of your mortgage and not somebody elses!

"Owners insurance" Renters still have to pay contents insurance, admittedly it will be a little cheaper, but mine doesn't cost the earth (less than £25 a month for decent cover)

"Property tax" Not something the majority of people will be paying unless they're going to be renting the property out and we're not talking about that in this thread.

"1 large single investment without diversification to mitigate risks" Now this would be fair enough especially if it was a short term investment, but housing isn't generally looked at by most people as a risky, short term investment, rather a necessity to keep their family dry and warm. You'd be very, very unlucky to lose money on property if you're in it for the long run.

Then there's your "What ifs?" houses drop 50%? Unlikely, but providing you're in it for the long term you should be fine as they'll more than likely recover and then some. Interest rates rise to 15%? Even more unlikely, most financial analysts have said that they'd be very surprised if it gets anywhere near 10% again let alone 15%. Howard Archer, chief UK economist at IHS Global Insight has said recently that interest rates should stay the same historic low for 2017 and probably the whole of 2018 too.

And finally if you're going to be moving city/country for a new job then that job has to be worth it financially to take it? However there could still be options for you, ie renting the property out.
 
See as I said earlier int his thread, the British people have to get over this ridiculous idea of having to buy a house.

About two weeks ago they were talking about this on GMTV with a couple of experts and it was all about the 'Bank of Mum & Dad' helping out their kids.
Apparently over there in Europe renting is considered normal and it's only us Brits who have this idea we have to own our own home.
However my mortgage was paid off in 2003 and I'd hate to think I'd still be paying rent until I die.
 
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