To win10, or not to win10?

Sticking with Windows 7.
Has no problems. Will be supported security wise for ages.

No need for 10,except it probably uses more resources
 
after 30 days you can go back to your old OS but will require a complete OS re install as the files are removed after 30 days.

Thanks, that's what I thought. I've upgraded both of my machines just to get in before the free period ends, but I'm going to be moving back to 7 this weekend. The faster boot time and navigation in 10 is nice, but IMO it's not worth the downsides.
 
I've not actually found 10 to boot up faster than 7 overall - sure sometimes it does but more often than not between applying updates and other random things it does it pretty much averages out about as long as 7 - 8 in my experience beats both significantly for quickly booting.

Though to be fair most of my Windows 7 systems are using some type of optimised boot system or other which is a little unfair i.e. my laptop has Samsung's optimised boot mode but even with similar tweaks 10 doesn't really gain much.
 
Maybe it's a hardware combination thing, but I've noticed that 10 does boot noticeably faster on my desktop than 7. In fairness though "noticeably faster" is a matter of ~5-10 seconds, in the grand scheme of things it's minor.
 
I bought Windows 8.1 PRO when I was a student in 2013 for £40 and never got around to using it, so today I installed it on a spare old 500GB hard drive and upgraded it to Windows 10 PRO.

So far, so good. I've got used to Windows 10 within a few hours of use. I doubt it, but if I find any old games, programs etc that are abit buggy, I can always switch to using Windows 7 for anything specific.

Still using Windows 7 on my 256GB SSD for now, I'll do a clean install of Windows 10 PRO once I get a larger SSD. Main reason I've switched is for the compatability of DX12 with Windows 10.
 
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Maybe it's a hardware combination thing, but I've noticed that 10 does boot noticeably faster on my desktop than 7. In fairness though "noticeably faster" is a matter of ~5-10 seconds, in the grand scheme of things it's minor.

The average person's Windows 7 boot up is a bit slow :S I keep my systems fairly well maintained with minimal stuff in startup, etc. 10 is a bit more forgiving if you system is bogged down with a million services and startup entries.
 
Ive not followed anything about the upgrade program etc, so forgive me if Im wrong here......


Is the price of Windows 10 due/known to be going up anytime?

£89.99 for the USB version and I think its been that since launch.
 
It's all the little things that are really irritating me.

  • You can't rearrange jump lists
  • When you login, you have to press a button to bring up the password box, and there's a slight delay from pressing a button and actually being able to type in the password box
  • The details pane (thing along the bottom of Windows Explorer which you could drag up in W7 to bring up more info) is merged with the preview pane on the right side, so it's either/or, not both.
  • In Windows Explorer, on the left side, you can't get rid of "Documents/Downloads/Music/Pictures/etc" shortcuts.
  • Persistent OneDrive shortcut in Windows Explorer, even though I don't use it
  • The thumbnail size slider has disappeared. Instead you're forced to ctrl+mouse wheel
  • With the default photo viewer, mouse wheel goes forward/back instead of zoom, . I can't use the forward/back buttons on my mouse to navigate, they do nothing.
  • Again, automatic driver installs really gets on my ****

Why have they removed perfectly useful things which were in previous versions? How hard would it have been to add a "remove" to the context menu of Windows Explorer? Why would they possibly get rid of jump list rearranging? What good does merging the details pane and preview pane do, without the ability to have both? Most people have a keyboard and a mouse, and you would think to navigate (i.e. go forward/back), it would make more sense to have the arrow keys dedicated to navigation in the photo viewer rather than the mouse wheel. Not to mention there's already a left and right arrow on each photo for mouse navigation, so why would they make mouse wheel also navigate instead of zoom? It's just asinine and change for the sake of change. I'm sure there are registry edits and such fixes for most of these, but the point is why do I need to?

And this is after a year of release!! Stuff it, I'm going back to 7. This is garbage.
 
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  • You can't rearrange jump lists
  • When you login, you have to press a button to bring up the password box, and there's a slight delay from pressing a button and actually being able to type in the password box
  • The details pane (thing along the bottom of Windows Explorer which you could drag up in W7 to bring up more info) is merged with the preview pane on the right side, so it's either/or, not both.
  • In Windows Explorer, on the left side, you can't get rid of "Documents/Downloads/Music/Pictures/etc" shortcuts.
  • Persistent OneDrive shortcut in Windows Explorer, even though I don't use it
  • The thumbnail size slider has disappeared. Instead you're forced to ctrl+mouse wheel
  • With the default photo viewer, mouse wheel goes forward/back instead of zoom, . I can't use the forward/back buttons on my mouse to navigate, they do nothing.
  • Again, automatic driver installs really gets on my ****
There are very simple solutions to most of those. Many are listed on the Microsoft support website.
 
There are very simple solutions to most of those. Many are listed on the Microsoft support website.

I'm sure there is, and I even alluded to it in my post. The point is why have they even been made into issues in the first place, when a version of Windows 3 iterations prior doesn't have them? Hell, I think even the Vista Windows Explorer can remedy most of those things. Progress should be to make better than the previous version, not take useful features away and make things more awkward to use.
 
I must admit they have made some weird decisions in explorer. Try copying a file over another file with the same filename. It used to be one click on one window, now it's (I think) four clicks on two windows? Seems backwards to me.
 
I must admit they have made some weird decisions in explorer. Try copying a file over another file with the same filename. It used to be one click on one window, now it's (I think) four clicks on two windows? Seems backwards to me.

Explorer is like 5 different people worked on it without talking to each other - dunno what was so wrong with 7's it just needed a couple of minor tweaks i.e. a list of currently open explorer windows in the left hand navigation pane you could drag and drop to would be handy, the copy dialog from 8/10 and some features to make it more friendly to use if you are on a touchscreen and job done instead of the garbage in 10.
 
Explorer is like 5 different people worked on it without talking to each other - dunno what was so wrong with 7's it just needed a couple of minor tweaks i.e. a list of currently open explorer windows in the left hand navigation pane you could drag and drop to would be handy, the copy dialog from 8/10 and some features to make it more friendly to use if you are on a touchscreen and job done instead of the garbage in 10.

Exactly this.

They've been doing this since XP. They keep removing functionality for bling.

I don't get it.
 
Exactly this.

They've been doing this since XP. They keep removing functionality for bling.

I don't get it.

I don't get the implementation of the ribbon UI (very specific to explorer as well) - would make sense to have something similar that you could swipe left<>right for different management/functionality groups on a touchscreen but the current implementation is far less than ideal for that kind of use on a touchscreen while being also far less than optimal for mouse and keyboard use.
 
MS UI design is quite poor in general. They very often put the most common functionality behind multiple clicks and smaller buttons, while doing the opposite with the least used functionality.

Quite often their products have been contradictory ui concepts competing with each other in the same app.

As was said earlier it's like there's too many cooks.
 
For those critiquing Explorer, have you tried FreeCommander instead,personally binned explorer years ago, the dual pane view of FC is so much easier to organise/move files, plus you can view folders with contents sorted by modified time with files and sub-folders intermixed (afaik never available in explorer)
 
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