Top 10 engines, EVER
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Tesla said:
I'd just got the 220 and had put the 214 into the garage for a few days to get some work done before its MOT.
When I went to pick the 214 up from the garage, my mum dropped me off and I drove the car back.
At first it felt **** slow and I really was shocked at how slow it was. But after it'd warmed up, I started giving it beans and suddenly realised just how much it likes to rev.
The T is good if you like being lazy and overtaking in 3rd or 4th. The K is awesome for dropping 3 gears and booting it past someone in second. It didn't sound half bad with a K&N cone filter on too.
Yes but compare it to their earlier effort, the 6.1L V12 used in the McLaren F1, as featured on that list.Von Smallhausen said:
The new 5L V10, whilst a superb unit, "only" produces the same output per litre as the 6.1L V12. Not much progress to show for over 10 years really is it? No-one is disputing that the V10 is an awesome engine but it's nowhere near as groundbreaking as that 6.1L V12 was.
Personally, I'm just glad the Veyron's engine isn't in that list!
You might not have noticed this but most of the entries are for an engine series. Therefore I'm not exactly surprised that the 1XYZ-16V that had a 3 year lifespan in the '92-94 JapCoupe isn't listed.
Oh and leave the K-series alone. It's a cracking engine. Just because the odd Head Gasket goes in a shoddily built Freelander or 14 year old Rover 214 doesn't mean its "OMG - SUXXOR" time.
Oh and leave the K-series alone. It's a cracking engine. Just because the odd Head Gasket goes in a shoddily built Freelander or 14 year old Rover 214 doesn't mean its "OMG - SUXXOR" time.
MagicBoy said:
Actually the 1UZ was used from something like 1991-1998 and was Voted one of the Best engines of all time IIRC
And ill let Penski Tell you about its tuning capabillitys
In 1998 the Lighter Engine the 3UZ-FE with VVTI was brought out in its place, Im not sure if its as strong or know lots about it but ive heard its still a bloody good engine.
UZ series > K series
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you're kidding right?jellybeard999 said:
it was a major achievement for a 6R4 to FINISH a rally never mind win one.
engine failure was almost always the cause of this.(typically Cam failure)
how you come to the conclusion it was a great engine is beyond me.
The fact remains that BMW achieved similar performance to the 5.0L V10 over 10 years ago. Yes the older engine cost a hell of a lot more but it was still a road-car engine. Fundamentally, all the 5.0L V10 has done in the 10+ years since the F1 is lower the production cost. Hardly makes the new unit one of the "best engines ever" does it?Arc said:Thats got to be the daftest thing I've ever heard.
Your comparing a near 800k supercar engine to a 50k 5 series engine. I'm sure if the M5 cost the same as the F1 then the engine may be slightly more impressive
You are not comparing like for like really and it would seem your sole criteria for what makes an engine better is horsepower and performance. One engine was built for a limited run hyper car not expected to be doing 150K - 200K miles, the other was built to be used day in day out, dry or wet, warm or cold. Use the Mac F1 criteria on the current V10 and I suggest you would have more power and better performance.Vertigo1 said:
I think the S54 engine from the M3 CSL should be in that list, a steadily evolved engine that reaches its peak in the CSL. Anyone who has driven a CSL will know why this engine is held in such high regard.........what a noise!
I am not a turbo fan, much preferring the highly stressed normally aspirated engine for my kicks, so most of them leave me cold. I think the Honda V-Tec is very impressive, if a little 'top end' in its delivery, but you can't argue with them numbers. I love the Alfa V6 from a noise and aesthetics perspective, but not sure its leading edge in terms of power of technology, but looks as good as they get!
Best engine ever?
BRM V16 for one reason only. As an engine is was hugely complex, hugely unreliable and hugely disappointing.............but I forgive it all of that because it sounding like nothing else on earth!
The VW aircooled flat 4 has to be the biggest omision form that list. I know its not everyone cup of tea but its one of the first engines(1936) to get 100k miles on an untouched engine regularly, was used in the second world war in all sorts of conditions from swamps to deserts and led to may different variations from generators/pumps across the world(that are still used now) to evolving to the Porsche 356 Carrera Multi cam flat 4 then to the legendary Flat 6 engine.
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1.Ford YB (for bringing Ferrari performance to the public for Ford money as well as it's technicalities)
2.Ford DFV (check it's race history)
3.small block Chevy (it's been in everything, modded to the point of being unrecognisable and still in production)
4.Rolls Royce Merlin (one of the main reasons i'm not typing this in German)
5.Toyota I4 diesel. (reliable is not the word.tough as hobnail boots.find them in the harshest places on earth)
6.Rover V8 (again, this engine has found itself in so many different configurations)
7.Mac F1 (here because it's SO refined and tractable, yet so powerful)
8.A series Austin. (brought cheap, reliable, economical motoring to the public)
9.Veedub flat series (evolved into the Porka flat 6 so i HAD to nominate it even just for longevity)
10.the Fiat/Lancia twin cam. (Aurelio Lampredi's,spelling? i don't google my facts so apologies if necessary, creation was years ahead of anything else)
2.Ford DFV (check it's race history)
3.small block Chevy (it's been in everything, modded to the point of being unrecognisable and still in production)
4.Rolls Royce Merlin (one of the main reasons i'm not typing this in German)
5.Toyota I4 diesel. (reliable is not the word.tough as hobnail boots.find them in the harshest places on earth)
6.Rover V8 (again, this engine has found itself in so many different configurations)
7.Mac F1 (here because it's SO refined and tractable, yet so powerful)
8.A series Austin. (brought cheap, reliable, economical motoring to the public)
9.Veedub flat series (evolved into the Porka flat 6 so i HAD to nominate it even just for longevity)
10.the Fiat/Lancia twin cam. (Aurelio Lampredi's,spelling? i don't google my facts so apologies if necessary, creation was years ahead of anything else)
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Agreed, it was poor compared to it's competitor units at the time and still is really, after years of development work. Didn't they have huge balancing problems after basically lopping 2 cylinders off to create the V6? Like you I try not to Google my facts so I may be wrong on that one.
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if you read the rally results of it's day almost every 6R4 failure was marked as cam failure.Lopéz said:
IIRC didn't they reduce the capacity to 2.5 litres and for some reason whatever was included as part of the work seems to have cured the cam problem.
as for the XJ220 the 6R4 lump caused a little controversy to say the least...not to mention a court case or two.
Vertigo1 said:
It is still an awesome engine though. Engine of the year this year in most classes. Active ignition timing is impressive, ionises the spark plugs to detect when they get close to knock, therefore every ignition bang is timed to produce maximum power.