Top 10 engines, EVER

Pug · 20 Oct 2006 at 09:33

gurusan said:
but they don't have variable cam timing and soon honda will have constantly variation of lift and duration instead of just 2 definite profiles

Hondas engine has been evolved, Toyota stopped evolution as they're too focussed on hybrid/fuel economy, and have removed the performance segment of their product lineup.

The technologies may be subtley different, but they produce similar power, using a similar ethos.

In fact, the 1.8l in my celica produces more power/l than the UK CTR.

jimblowscash · 20 Oct 2006 at 10:24

dirtydog said:
Do you think Cavaliers were pig ugly? I think the Cavalier GSi is one of the best looking cars Vauxhall have ever produced (okay you could argue that isn't saying much)

ok so the calibra was ok, in a kind of gay knightrider sort of way but vauxhalls in general i find astheticaly challanged*

*
(my personal view, therefore right

)

The_Dark_Side · 20 Oct 2006 at 10:48

dirtydog said:
Were Sierra Cosworths really £15k in the mid 80s?

IIRC the 3 door was launched at fifty quid short of £16k.

it really was THE performance bargain of the decade.

dirtydog · 20 Oct 2006 at 10:48

jimblowscash said:
ok so the calibra was ok, in a kind of gay knightrider sort of way but vauxhalls in general i find astheticaly challanged*

*
(my personal view, therefore right )

I forgot about the Calibra XE's, yeah they are good looking too. The Cavalier also is (IMO) miles better looking than its direct-competitor, the mk.1 Ford Mondeo.

dirtydog · 20 Oct 2006 at 10:50

The_Dark_Side said:
IIRC the 3 door was launched at fifty quid short of £16k.

it really was THE performance bargain of the decade.

Indeed

I had a ride (not drive) in one once and it was very, very quick :eek:

Stonedofmoo · 20 Oct 2006 at 10:51

Aye, unfortunately the thieves liked them just as much and insurance went through the roof

merlin · 20 Oct 2006 at 10:53

dirtydog said:
Indeed I had a ride (not drive) in one once and it was very, very quick

Spare us the details, this is a family forum.

The_Dark_Side · 20 Oct 2006 at 10:55

jimblowscash said:
ok so the calibra was ok, in a kind of gay knightrider sort of way but vauxhalls in general i find astheticaly challanged

I think you're talking with the benefit of hindsight there.
the Calibra was a very brave and " mould breaking " design for Vauxhall back in 89/90.
sure NOW they carry a naff image and compared to newer designs they look dated, but I still think it was a brave move by Vauxhall back in the day.

merlin · 20 Oct 2006 at 10:55

My father once borrowed a Sierra Saphire Cosworth from a wealthy friend who bought one from new.

I sat in the back and when he booted it I actually cried to get him to stop.

Up untill that day the fastest thing I'd ever been in was a 2.0 Ford Capri.

dirtydog · 20 Oct 2006 at 10:57

merlin said:
My father once borrowed a Sierra Saphire Cosworth from a wealthy friend who bought one from new.

I sat in the back and when he booted it I actually cried to get him to stop.

Up untill that day the fastest thing I'd ever been in was a 2.0 Ford Capri.

hehehe

The_Dark_Side · 20 Oct 2006 at 11:03

Stonedofmoo said:
Aye, unfortunately the thieves liked them just as much and insurance went through the roof

you're not wrong.
the car so good the Police couldn't beat 'em so they joined 'em.the forces with the highest car crime stats had to buy Cossies..NE england, Humberside etc.

when insurance went nuts the resale values plummeted, then when car crime and insurance started to drop the residuals started to climb again.
one of the few times I've seem used cars appreciate .

Pug · 20 Oct 2006 at 11:35

The_Dark_Side said:
you're not wrong.
the car so good the Police couldn't beat 'em so they joined 'em.the forces with the highest car crime stats had to buy Cossies..NE england, Humberside etc.

when insurance went nuts the resale values plummeted, then when car crime and insurance started to drop the residuals started to climb again.
one of the few times I've seem used cars appreciate .

heh, they did the same with imprezas (cornwall started i think) when their were a spate of ram raids, they used imprezas as getaway cars. Often outran the police and their helis

Not long after the police bought some subarus.

Crofter · 20 Oct 2006 at 18:34

The_Dark_Side said:
many of the current Ford lineup aren't within everymans budget either so what's your point?
for example how much is a brand new top of the line Mondeo today?
approaching £30k IIRC and that's not within everymans budget by a long chalk.
to say it's Ford money doesn't imply that everyone with a license can afford one.
what it means is that it brought Ferrari performance to people who previously couldn't have dreamt about affording a vehicle as potent.
it brought that level of power in at such a relatively low price that there was every chance you would find someone in your street with one, compared to rarely seeing a Ferrari.

Mate I think we are going to have to agree to disagree here because as good as the Cossies where never "Ford Money" they where bloody expensive.

The_Dark_Side · 20 Oct 2006 at 18:57

Crofter said:
Mate I think we are going to have to agree to disagree here because as good as the Cossies where never "Ford Money" they where bloody expensive.

i'll part agree, part disagree with you.
at £27k, the last of the Sapphires were definitely expensive.
the 3 door at launch however was, at under £16k, a bargain cosidering the performance it offered.it was priced under ALL it's competition.

tb2000 · 20 Oct 2006 at 20:08

The_Dark_Side said:
if you read the rally results of it's day almost every 6R4 failure was marked as cam failure.
IIRC didn't they reduce the capacity to 2.5 litres and for some reason whatever was included as part of the work seems to have cured the cam problem.
as for the XJ220 the 6R4 lump caused a little controversy to say the least...not to mention a court case or two.

True, they reduced the capacity, it was so the car could enter that specific class. I think the maximum was 2.5 litres, hence the reduction in capacity.

Nitro_Junkie said:
isn't the K series Rover seriously prone to head gasket failure?

Not necessarilyl True they had a fair few go but it's nothing the new triple thickness gasket wouldn't fix, this is true for the KV6 as well.

dirtydog said:
I forgot about the Calibra XE's, yeah they are good looking too. The Cavalier also is (IMO) miles better looking than its direct-competitor, the mk.1 Ford Mondeo.

I would've thought the Cavalier's direct competitor was the Ford Sierra, as the Cav only saw a couple of years of Mondeo production.

The_Dark_Side said:
you're not wrong.
the car so good the Police couldn't beat 'em so they joined 'em.the forces with the highest car crime stats had to buy Cossies..NE england, Humberside etc.

Indeed, I remember a story where a police force had bought a few Cossies but the drivers of them didn't realise quite how powerful they were and promptly put them in various hedges! :eek:

Jonny ///M · 20 Oct 2006 at 20:35

Nitro_Junkie said:
ah, if thats the case then I'll happily shut up

Yeh i mean the S70/71 bmw V12

680bhp

dirtydog · 21 Oct 2006 at 06:41

tb2000 said:
I would've thought the Cavalier's direct competitor was the Ford Sierra, as the Cav only saw a couple of years of Mondeo production.

From 88-93 it was the Sierra then from 93-95 the Mondeo, fair enough

(for the Mk.3 Cav)

kippermitten · 21 Oct 2006 at 08:39

Engine

* 1499,8 ccm
* max 1.500 bhp at 11.000 rpm
* turbo: KKK (Germany), later Garrett (USA)
* block: cast steel (production based)
* fuel: synthetic from Wintershall (Germany)
* leasing: DM 153.000 per unit

What about the Beemer engine from circa 1980-87? 1.5 litre, over a 1000 bhp and the cast iron blocks were said to be urinated on by the engineers as they stood out side the back of the engineering shop to help "weather them in"!

Zip · 24 Oct 2006 at 01:15

kippermitten said:
Engine

* 1499,8 ccm
* max 1.500 bhp at 11.000 rpm
* turbo: KKK (Germany), later Garrett (USA)
* block: cast steel (production based)
* fuel: synthetic from Wintershall (Germany)
* leasing: DM 153.000 per unit

What about the Beemer engine from circa 1980-87? 1.5 litre, over a 1000 bhp and the cast iron blocks were said to be urinated on by the engineers as they stood out side the back of the engineering shop to help "weather them in"!

The M10

My older brother hasd the 2 Litre Version of it sitting in his back yard in an old Bimmer my mate was gonna by then past up on and now im starting to thing of buying it just for the engine to see what crazy things can happen with it

agw_01 · 24 Oct 2006 at 05:10

tb2000 said:
Not necessarilyl True they had a fair few go but it's nothing the new triple thickness gasket wouldn't fix, this is true for the KV6 as well.

The triple-layered gasket was for the T series only.