Top Gear this coming Sunday: Mustang Battle (Pics of Stig and Top Gear Inside)

Andr3w said:
hmmm?How do you know thats the stig?
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Because he raced with hammond with stig on his car, and that was the shot of him after..

Additionally, how often is ben collins on top gear unmasked???

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Gibbo said:
Hi m8

Yep very true as sometimes when watching the filmed laps sometimes the Stig has great perfect starts and other times the cars either bog down a little or spin the wheels too much.
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Yep, true lap time would not be standing start, thats more of a loopy drag race

:D
 
merlin said:
What 0-60 times are these Stang's capable of?
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Hi m8

Very subjective with the Mustang as adding more power makes them seriously quick but does not improve 0-60 greatly due to initial traction issues in 1st gear.

Here are some examples:-
Stock Mustang GT - 300BHP/320Lb-Ft = 4.9s - 5.1s depending on tester and testing conditions. But they consistantly give these times so pretty good.
Mustang GT with CAI, Re-Map, 3.73 or 4.10 rear gears will do it in approx 4.7s (These mods cost less than £1000 fitted)
Roush Stage 3 - 415BHP/385Lb-FT = 4.4 - 4.6s, supercharger makes inital traction harder.
Saleen S281 SC - 435BHP / 430Lb-Ft = 4.6s, again supercharger making life harder to launch.
Saleen S281 SC Extreme - 550BHP / 525Lb-Ft = 3.9s - 4.3s, surface conditions and temperature can greatly aid here.

From guys running the JDM Stage kits at the drag strip are managing as low as 3.1s 0-60mph, BUT THEY HAVE DRAG Radials. The same cars on street tyres are seeing 3.7-3.9s so still damn quick.

Its the 0-100mph where the Mustangs are very strong and in-gear acceleration as the combination of high torque and reasonably lightweight makes them very quick.
Stock Mustang GT = 0-100mph in 12.8-13.1s
Mustang GT with CIA, Remap, gears = 0-100mph 11.4-11.8s (These mods cost less than £1000 fitted)
Roush Stage 3 = 0-100mph in 10.3-10.6s
Saleen S281 SC = 0-100mph in 9.9s
Saleen S281 SC Extreme = 0-100mph in 8.2s

As you can see once they are moving or on a roll they are quite unstoppable and its only due to poor aero-dynamics they start to slow accelerating when passing around 140-150mph. The Shelby GT500 will do 0-155mph in 30s, so expect the Saleen S281 SC Extreme to do that in circa 25s as its more aero-dynamic, weighs less and has more power. :)

It is possible to tune just a standard Mustang GT close to 400BHP and 400Lb-Ft like I did initially for less than £2000 which will lower the 0-100mph time to around 11s dead. :)
So considering you can now get a 2005 Mustang GT for £15,000, factor in £2000 for performance mods, £2000 for suspension and wheels and then a further £1000 for brakes you can indeed build quite a weapon of a car that is both new and incredibly rare and cheap to run.
 
merlin said:
Aye, two launches are never the same.

Plus cars with exceptional launch grip (and therefore 0-60 times) could end up with a "lap" time 1 second or more quicker than what I'd call a proper lap time..i.e. a rolling lap.

And cars with a not too hot 0-60 but ok after 60 will see their "lap" time suffer somewhat.
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Yep spot on hence why many say the Top Gear track is best suited to 4WD and lighter weight cars. The bigger more powerful RWD cars would perform better on other tracks or as you said if the lap was started say from a 30mph rolling start to removed any launch advantage some of the 4WD and lighter cars might have. :)

It will be interested to see how the Stig launches the two Mustangs on Sunday as they are both supercharged so either expect lots of wheelspin or Stig taking it gently in 1st and shifting to 2nd early, especially considering it was damp.


ALSO the track conditions were DAMP when the Stig did the power timed laps, so considering that these cars have indeed done very well. As Top Gear say a damp track looses 2s per lap and a wet track 4s per lap. That puts the Roush as good as the M5 and only 1 second behind an Exige S and quicker than an Exige, bringing the Roush down to 1:26.0 and the Shelby 1:28.0 which lets be fair is good.
 
Hi there

Well it shall be on shortly so shall end up finding out if the information I have got has any creditability at all. :eek:

Can't wait to see it and to also see if it was dry, damp or wet.
Also from what I am told Clarkson as usual makes the mistake of getting his prices mixed up and says the Shelby is the cheaper car, shall see if the BBC corrected it before tonights show. :)
 
Jonny ///M said:
Well that was crap was it not?

The roush did look a lot smoother though.
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As predicted the Shelby was indeed not good, suspension setup is all wrong and its plain and simple just far too heavy. Fact is though for as bad as it is it can still actually get round corners and still managed to just edge a Monaro VXR, so it can't be that bad, but it aint good either.

The Roush on the other hand is proof American cars can indeed handle and go round corners with ease. :)

Just a shame Top Gear make so many mistakes these days, yes its a great laugh but their car knowledge is somewhat poor.

The dyno was clearly reading at the wheels, not the crank.
The engine in the GT500 is not from the Ford GT, its the iron block from the Ford Lightning pickup.
Both cars have an LSD, in fact identical ones.
They got the prices the wrong way round.
They did update the brakes on the GT500, just they added 400lbs weight to the car as well with that iron block engine along with body re-inforcements for the engine.

So shame lots of incorrect information but amazed that JC thinks the Roush is better than an M3, thats a big thing for JC to say. :)
 
Gibbo said:
As predicted the Shelby was indeed not good, suspension setup is all wrong and its plain and simple just far too heavy. Fact is though for as bad as it is it can still actually get round corners and still managed to just edge a Monaro VXR, so it can't be that bad, but it aint good either.

The Roush on the other hand is proof American cars can indeed handle and go round corners with ease. :)

Just a shame Top Gear make so many mistakes these days, yes its a great laugh but their car knowledge is somewhat poor.

The dyno was clearly reading at the wheels, not the crank.
The engine in the GT500 is not from the Ford GT, its the iron block from the Ford Lightning pickup.
Both cars have an LSD, in fact identical ones.
They got the prices the wrong way round.
They did update the brakes on the GT500, just they added 400lbs weight to the car as well with that iron block engine along with body re-inforcements for the engine.

So shame lots of incorrect information but amazed that JC thinks the Roush is better than an M3, thats a big thing for JC to say. :)
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Can't say I was impressed with the TG teams take on the 'Stang.

Was'nt he (JC) comparing the M3 as in it being in the price territory? - Otherwise, its hardly a good comparison I'd have thought ? - The two cars are like chalk & cheese.


Top Gear is far too up itself, they try to be funny & fail imo.

Its a shame we don't get decent information and specs from them, rather, we get silly puns & one liners that would make the average politician wince!

Can't say I'm sorry to see the end of the series, which is a first in my many many years of TG viewing. :(

Dr Who said:
The stig unhelmeted...
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Sounds painful !
 
Another brilliant episode, Lemar looked geniunely peeved and May geniunely saddened.. Top Entertainment.
 
Thought tonight's episode was great. Those homemade Limos were superb.

Mustang section seemed a bit poo though. :( Rather than being a proper feature, just seemed to be something to "fill the gap" of the main event. They seemed to spend more time talking about the old one rather than the new one and the Roush barely even got a look in at all.
 
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