tower vs ninja.

[Joe42]

bit off topic, but, is it possible to mount a second fan to the ninja in a p180 case on a DS4?

Yes but i doubt it will do much good. You might have more luck ducting it to one or both of the rear fans, that's been done before with some success.

Me for example.., i dont care if its noisy; my speakers are noisier...

Deltas aren't just noisy, they're insane.
But if you were going to use one, going by your logic the scythe infinity would be best as its basically a ninja with more fins.

Sry im pretty sure a ninja would beat the hell out of the tuniq with a delta 120 mm, tuniq is limited because it has just 6 heatpipes, at some point of airflow the ninja gets better... 12 pipes can carry a lot more liquid as 6...

I would imagine the heatpipes have the capacity to move more heat out to the fins than you could ever remove with a fan. They are extremely efficient at moving heat, compared to air which is quite useless, so I'm fairly certain a heatsink will always be limited by the amount of heat it can transfer from the fins to the air rather than the amount of heat it can transfer from the cpu to the fins.
Therefore a tuniq tower would beat a ninja with a delta as it has more fins, assuming the delta fitted in the gap which it doesn't.

And how do you know that the ninja doesn't use 30w heatpipes while the tuniq uses 60w heatpipes?

This is coming from someone who owns two ninjas btw, although i use mine for what they're designed for, low airflow operation with silent fans.

 

[Ronaldo]

Scythe Ninja Plus Rev. B is the same as oringal except am2 support?

also on amd does the motherboard need to be removed? or can u unscrew heatsink holder and put the ninja one on ?

 

[Joe42]

Scythe Ninja Plus Rev. B is the same as oringal except am2 support?

also on amd does the motherboard need to be removed? or can u unscrew heatsink holder and put the ninja one on ?

the Rev B also comes with a fan whereas the Rev A did not.

The motherboard doesn't need to be removed providing you have a decent backplate.

 

[Ronaldo]

A8N SLI Premium is the mobo, any one know if its good enough for ninja?

 

[snowdog]

Deltas aren't just noisy, they're insane.

i hardly call below 60dB insane...
Very noisy yes, but nothing the avrg 5.1 cant outnoise

But if you were going to use one, going by your logic the scythe infinity would be best as its basically a ninja with more fins.

2 less heatpipes.
Less fins/fin surface can always be countered with better fans/more airflow

And how do you know that the ninja doesn't use 30w heatpipes while the tuniq uses 60w heatpipes?

I don't know, I just assumed scythe and subeam use same standards, whatever the case i'd always go for the one with more total watts of heat
transfer...
(Correct me if i'm wrong...)

 

[Raikiri]

i hardly call below 60dB insane...
Very noisy yes, but nothing the avrg 5.1 cant outnoise

Yes but you can't have your speakers on loud 24/7

99% of people or more will say a delta is too noisey for day to day use.

2 less heatpipes.
Less fins/fin surface can always be countered with better fans/more airflow

One less heatpipe, they are curved in a U shape.

 

[snowdog]

One less heatpipe, they are curved in a U shape.

Are you sure? I though only zalman had that kind of solutions and that the ninja&infinity had all real proper single standalone hatpipes...

EDIT : Ah i see on the scythe site, how could I have een so blind to notice before ( ps. i dont like the idea of u shaped heatpipes liek scythe and zalman use )

EDIT 2: oh no i found out more company's do it, even arctic cooling, again im a bit late in noticing this, also tuniq tower has this, this has all a bit annoyed me now, anyone know what the wattages of ninja vs tuniq are?

 

[Arcane]

TuniqTower is HUGE. On my p180 (which is massive itself) its impossible to install without pulling the motherboard, Which extreme pain in the ass! (anyone got any tips?)

Install the 12V 8 pin connector on the mobo before you put it in the case otherwise it's a complete nightmare to fit .

 

[Joe42]

i hardly call below 60dB insane...
Very noisy yes, but nothing the avrg 5.1 cant outnoise

Its fine for 5 or 10 minutes, you try sitting in the same room as one for an hour and you'll be ready to bin it.

2 less heatpipes.
Less fins/fin surface can always be countered with better fans/more airflow

The heatpipes are specified such that they are capable of transfering more heat from the cpu than the cpu can produce, so you'll never be limited by the heatpipes.
Even if you could get a fan that could keep the fins at ambient temperature you still wouldn't be limited by the heatpipes.

I don't know, I just assumed scythe and subeam use same standards, whatever the case i'd always go for the one with more total watts of heat
transfer...
(Correct me if i'm wrong...)

I think you're wrong, they all have a higher heat transfer rating than any cpu can produce, so its the design of the heatsink and fins that you should be looking at.

Are you sure? I though only zalman had that kind of solutions and that the ninja&infinity had all real proper single standalone hatpipes...

EDIT : Ah i see on the scythe site, how could I have een so blind to notice before ( ps. i dont like the idea of u shaped heatpipes liek scythe and zalman use )

EDIT 2: oh no i found out more company's do it, even arctic cooling, again im a bit late in noticing this, also tuniq tower has this, this has all a bit annoyed me now, anyone know what the wattages of ninja vs tuniq are?

All of them have the capacity to remove all the heat away from a cpu that the cpu can possibly generate, they don't need more heatpipes.

 

[snowdog]

Its fine for 5 or 10 minutes, you try sitting in the same room as one for an hour and you'll be ready to bin it.
The heatpipes are specified such that they are capable of transfering more heat from the cpu than the cpu can produce, so you'll never be limited by the heatpipes.
Even if you could get a fan that could keep the fins at ambient temperature you still wouldn't be limited by the heatpipes.

I think you're wrong, they all have a higher heat transfer rating than any cpu can produce, so its the design of the heatsink and fins that you should be looking at.

All of them have the capacity to remove all the heat away from a cpu that the cpu can possibly generate, they don't need more heatpipes.

So basicly what you're saying: if i put a delta on my freezer 7 pro ( with 200 watts of heat tranfer), itll beat both tt120 and ninja?

 

[Ronaldo]

oops

oops

 

[Joe42]

So basicly what you're saying: if i put a delta on my freezer 7 pro ( with 200 watts of heat tranfer), itll beat both tt120 and ninja?

No, because it has smaller fins, but it will be close i think.
It'll beat the ninja and tuniq with their stock fans i reckon. Depends which delta and how good it is.

What i'm saying is, its the fan, airflow, ambient temperature and fins that make a heatsink, the heatpipes on all of them can be considered to be roughly the same.

Although, the way the heatpipes are arranged might affect the performance a little.

 

[Raikiri]

So basicly what you're saying: if i put a delta on my freezer 7 pro ( with 200 watts of heat tranfer), itll beat both tt120 and ninja?

No, he is saying the heatpipes are not the limiting factor. The freezer performs worse because it has less surface area. With all of them using a delta the Tuniq would show the largest increase in performance from a low speed fan (notice I say increase, not being the best), followed by the freezer and then the Ninja as it does not need high airflow.

 

[Joe42]

No, he is saying the heatpipes are not the limiting factor. The freezer performs worse because it has less surface area. With all of them using a delta the Tuniq would show the largest increase in performance from a low speed fan (notice I say increase, not being the best), followed by the freezer and then the Ninja as it does not need high airflow.

Yup.

Basically, don't judge a heatsink by the number of heatpipes it has, because it doesn't mean much.

 

[jellybeard999]

And dont say any delta is noisy

They do make quiet models

 

[Joe42]

And dont say any delta is noisy

They do make quiet models

You're determined to catch me out.

They do quiet models?

Edit: The quietest standard sized 120mm fan they do is 32dba and 60cfm. I think its fair to say they specialise in high cfm high noise models.

 

[snowdog]

Well then errr, ill be soon off finding the biggest possible heatsink with as many fins as possible, probably will be the tt120, but perhaps ill find something bigger

Thx learned a bit today bout heatsinks etc.. though was limited mainly by heatpipes...
Dont need a silent pc, ill probably go for the high rpm 120mm dual bladed delta, and use a fan controller to slow it down when dont need all the power ( pretty much anytime when not gaming etc...), cut off the damn slow standard fan from AC, and put some proper airflow through it, if still not good enough then ill probably go for the tt120 ( with a nice high rpm fan like most delta's or the vantec tornado's)

 

[Joe42]

If you fancy using one of the larger 38mm thick deltas you may find the thermalright ultra 120 is better, as without a fan in the middle the tuniq tower probably won't be so good.

Ohh, and you might want to have a listen to this and this.

Edit: And you can watch bigstan trying to kill himself and various vegetables with one here.

 

[Raikiri]

Thx learned a bit today bout heatsinks etc.. though was limited mainly by heatpipes...
Dont need a silent pc, ill probably go for the high rpm 120mm dual bladed delta, and use a fan controller to slow it down when dont need all the power ( pretty much anytime when not gaming etc...), cut off the damn slow standard fan from AC, and put some proper airflow through it, if still not good enough then ill probably go for the tt120 ( with a nice high rpm fan like most delta's or the vantec tornado's)

Yeah, stock fan isn't very good really for either noise or airflow. I have an akasa amber (which also aren't brilliant, but I will be getting yate loons soon) on my freezer 7 pro.



(excuse the cables)

 

[VeNT]

Yeah, stock fan isn't very good really for either noise or airflow. I have an akasa amber (which also aren't brilliant, but I will be getting yate loons soon) on my freezer 7 pro.



(excuse the cables)

btx?