Train Platforms

Ahleckz said:
That barely happens, it gets stored in a tank and is emptied at the end. A few trains may do it but it’s far from the norm and is being phased out.
Next you’ll be saying planes drop human waste..
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I'm sorry but I have been in a few stations recently and seen toilet paper and whatnot on the track.

Not seen anything falling from the sky though, sorry.
 
Ahleckz said:
That barely happens, it gets stored in a tank and is emptied at the end. A few trains may do it but it’s far from the norm and is being phased out.
Next you’ll be saying planes drop human waste..
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It's happening less often these days and should be virtually elimated next year, however there is still a lot of **** about, especially around platforms. Although it has reduced a lot in the last few years.

Barely is not the word I would use though. It also depend son where in the country you are to how common it is.
 
Ahleckz said:
That barely happens, it gets stored in a tank and is emptied at the end. A few trains may do it but it’s far from the norm and is being phased out.
Next you’ll be saying planes drop human waste..
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Actually it happens A LOT! I used to work on the Close Call team and we had plenty of instances of close calls where the track/cess was full of crap or even where gangs on track were pelted with crap as the train emptied its toilet as it went past. Sometimes even the platforms got it on !
 
Clearcut said:
I'm sorry but I have been in a few stations recently and seen toilet paper and whatnot on the track.

Not seen anything falling from the sky though, sorry.
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What line are you on? I'm on the Great Western line between Reading and London and the only trains to still do this are the HSTs, and they are currently being replaced by IETs and then the HSTs are off to be converted so that they have cess tanks before going to Scotrail.

Platform 1 and 2 at Paddington are usually stinking where people used the toilet in the station so i'm looking forward to this changing over the next year.
 
Em3bbs said:
What line are you on? I'm on the Great Western line between Reading and London and the only trains to still do this are the HSTs, and they are currently being replaced by IETs and then the HSTs are off to be converted so that they have cess tanks before going to Scotrail.

Platform 1 and 2 at Paddington are usually stinking where people used the toilet in the station so i'm looking forward to this changing over the next year.
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See it all the time on the Midland Main Line, assuming from the Class 43 HST trains.
 
kinetic747 said:
In a world of Health and Safety
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When health and safety measures are implemented by anyone who knows what they're doing, they are done in a way to lower risks to a level that are As Low As Reasonably Practicable, or ALARP.

This means that a cost benefit analysis is done to weigh up the risk, assess different mitigation options, and then review the residual risk against the cost of the mitigation. In this case, adding barrier systems to every train station in Britain - god knows how many hundreds of millions of pounds plus endless disruption, teething problems, maintenance costs, extra staff, malfunctions causing injury etc. - is clearly not worth it, given deaths/injuries from people falling on tracks by accident are extremely rare.
 
dl8860 said:
When health and safety measures are implemented by anyone who knows what they're doing, they are done in a way to lower risks to a level that are As Low As Reasonably Practicable, or ALARP.

This means that a cost benefit analysis is done to weigh up the risk, assess different mitigation options, and then review the residual risk against the cost of the mitigation. In this case, adding barrier systems to every train station in Britain - god knows how many hundreds of millions of pounds plus endless disruption, teething problems, maintenance costs, extra staff, malfunctions causing injury etc. - is clearly not worth it, given deaths/injuries from people falling on tracks by accident are extremely rare.
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I don't disagree. I also didn't advocate the installation of barriers, well not retrospectively anyway. I just wanted to open the topic up for general discussion. :)
 
kinetic747 said:
I don't disagree. I also didn't advocate the installation of barriers, well not retrospectively anyway. I just wanted to open the topic up for general discussion. :)
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Sure, and I wasn't having a go or anything, just saying that 'Health and Safety' doesn't always mean more and more measures should be put in place.
 
dl8860 said:
Sure, and I wasn't having a go or anything, just saying that 'Health and Safety' doesn't always mean more and more measures should be put in place.
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No worries. There's a far bigger problem been unearthed in the thread as, if you do happen to fall of the platform, the biggest danger lies in falling in a pile of ****. :D
 
Em3bbs said:
What line are you on? I'm on the Great Western line between Reading and London and the only trains to still do this are the HSTs, and they are currently being replaced by IETs and then the HSTs are off to be converted so that they have cess tanks before going to Scotrail.

Platform 1 and 2 at Paddington are usually stinking where people used the toilet in the station so i'm looking forward to this changing over the next year.
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On the same line a few stops west of Reading and there is poo evident today. Glad the new trains will be stopping this.
 
the trains in the uk are so slow and broken you can jump in front of it, tie yourself to the track, evaluate the situation, realise you you forgot to turn the porch light off, ask someone on the platform to untie you and get off the track before the train arrives :P
 
I totally thought the waste on the lines was stopped years ago! I'm sure I read something about that, but apparently not. My mistake. That's horrendous, can't believe we're still throwing our human waste (and other waste) on the lines!
 
Its still happens around my area, one train company has toilets with tanks, the other drops it on the line. You can see the toilet paper on the lines in the station.
 
I work in the rail industry and even I have often contemplated with all the H&S requirements we still have a situation where untrained people (passengers) can walk inches from 300 tonne machines passing at 125 MPH. You wouldn't board National Express by the side of the motorway or wait on the edge of 27R at Heathrow for your plane to pull up...!

Guess it's just how things have evolved and largely unchanged even in the rest of the world. Platform edge doors are only suitable where rolling stock with identical door positioning is used and you're not going to see it at Achnasheen or Kinbrace in the Highlands.

Some stations on multiple track routes have platforms on the fast or main lines where trains don't normally call, now segregated from the slow lines by mid-platform fencing. This does act as a visual and physical deterrent to those who may be contemplating the end, as does the display of Samaritans notices. Of those who do end up under a train at a station, 99% of the time is a deliberate act, sadly.
 
Vern1961 said:
I work in the rail industry and even I have often contemplated with all the H&S requirements we still have a situation where untrained people (passengers) can walk inches from 300 tonne machines passing at 125 MPH. You wouldn't board National Express by the side of the motorway or wait on the edge of 27R at Heathrow for your plane to pull up...!

Guess it's just how things have evolved and largely unchanged even in the rest of the world. Platform edge doors are only suitable where rolling stock with identical door positioning is used and you're not going to see it at Achnasheen or Kinbrace in the Highlands.

Some stations on multiple track routes have platforms on the fast or main lines where trains don't normally call, now segregated from the slow lines by mid-platform fencing. This does act as a visual and physical deterrent to those who may be contemplating the end, as does the display of Samaritans notices. Of those who do end up under a train at a station, 99% of the time is a deliberate act, sadly.
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That's more or less the point I was trying to make. In industry, things are guarded so that they are idiot proof i.e its virtually impossible to access moving parts, nip points etc. Perhaps we should back track and follow the rail industries lead and leave everything to common sense but we all know that would lead to far more accidents. It can only be that the cost is prohibitive or surely things would not be left to common sense or, in my case, fear! :D
 
Vern1961 said:
I work in the rail industry and even I have often contemplated with all the H&S requirements we still have a situation where untrained people (passengers) can walk inches from 300 tonne machines passing at 125 MPH. You wouldn't board National Express by the side of the motorway or wait on the edge of 27R at Heathrow for your plane to pull up...!

Guess it's just how things have evolved and largely unchanged even in the rest of the world. Platform edge doors are only suitable where rolling stock with identical door positioning is used and you're not going to see it at Achnasheen or Kinbrace in the Highlands.

Some stations on multiple track routes have platforms on the fast or main lines where trains don't normally call, now segregated from the slow lines by mid-platform fencing. This does act as a visual and physical deterrent to those who may be contemplating the end, as does the display of Samaritans notices. Of those who do end up under a train at a station, 99% of the time is a deliberate act, sadly.
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Well walking down the motorway there is a chance for a car to veer and hit you, even if you keep to where you should. There's no chance for a train to come off the tracks and hit you when stood behind the yellow line. Same way on a lot of bridges you could easily jump to your death, but there's no protection in place. It requires either a deliberate act or extreme recklessness that just isn't worth the effort to protect against.
 
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