Training Migrants how to convincingly lie their way through EU border controls...

Dj_Jestar said:
Do you have anything to suggest Werewolf suggested it is fake?
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Yes, his immediate response that because it was on Russia today, it was edited, biased or "anything at all". If that's not trying to present it as not true, then you have some werewolf-tinted glasses on you!

Minusorange said:
At least they make an attempt at investigative journalism
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Well it's actually carried out by Lauren Southern. RT are just reporting it. She's not a journalist for them. RT just love publishing stuff that the mainstream Western media don't like being reported.
 
StriderX said:
Ah because it's oh so simple, there are hundreds perhaps thousands of different tribes in the middle-East and Africa, all subject to some level of state persecution if they aren't in power in some form, this can include torture, murder, rape, and other such violence. A measure of which we are responsible for.
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So I presume you would be in favour of a system that accurately identifies such victims rather than teaching non-victims the answers they should give to appear as victims. No wait, of course you think they're all victims and teaching people to lie is just, um... No, I got nothing.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
So are we dismissing the possibility that any of these migrants could be escaping any type of persecution?

The organisation just tells them the likeliest profile for asylum to be accepted. Whether you are an economic migrant or a migrant escaping persecution, you would lie to have a better life for you and your family. I think comparing these migrants to Nazi's for the sake of hysteria is a bit much...
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Well, to Jews, not Nazis. But we get your point. No, we don't know that these migrants aren't escaping persecution. Some undoubtedly are. But what this NGO is attempting to do is reduce our ability to tell the difference. And surely we can agree that is a negative?
 
Freakbro said:
She's even managed to get herself indefinitely banned from entering the UK, quite an achievement for a Canadian.
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Yep - for printing rainbow coloured flyers saying "Allah is a gay god" as part of a social experiment. She was detained under anti-terror laws for that.

If anyone is interested, a national paper (think it was the Guardian) did a big thing saying Jesus was probably gay. To illustrate that you wouldn't be allowed to say similar things about Islam, she made the flyers. And was promptly accosted and is now banned from the UK because of it. The flyers were explicitly given as the reason on the forms, btw. I'd say her experiment was a success and her being banned says more about us than about her.

YMMV.
 
BowdonUK said:
The point of the video was to highlight what these NGO's are doing.

I'm sure Ariel Ricker is making a lot of money from exploiting a system that is supposed to be for genuine cases.

Who is funding her organisation?
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I think it's premature to say where the funding comes from. Both Jeremy Corbyn and Tim Farron have been involved in fund-raising efforts for an organization that financially contributes to Advocates Abroad (the NGO). But whether they're big contributors or a drop in the ocean (I suspect the latter) I couldn't say. The Open Society Foundation is involved with a lot of these so I wouldn't be surprised to see them there. But it can take quite a bit of effort to unearth the money behind NGOs so might have to wait a bit.
 
robfosters said:
But why is saying Jesus is gay pretty much accepted as free speech but saying Allah is gay is inciting racial hatred?
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The difference is not in what was said, but who it is said to. One audience is a great deal more likely to respond with attacks (physical and otherwise) than the other.

Freakbro said:
Because context is important? One was an Op-Ed piece having a sensitive debate published in a national newspaper and one was a leaflet distributed in a specific area intentionally designed to be inflammatory and stir up unrest.
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You consider the Guardian article sensitive to the feelings of deeply religious Christians? Amusing.
 
StriderX said:
No, just postulating that things shouldn't be "they're brown, ergo no", which is what it boils down to for a vast minority of people who know **** all about the world.
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Your views make a striking contrast to all of us critics of Islam who keep trying to drive home that Islam isn't a race and which you seem to have big problems with. We are ardently stressing the distinction between race and religion, and now you're making sweeping statements about Arab people. Bizarre. I mean, it's consistent but usually people are stressing the difference to avoid racism as we are, not to protect the religion by laying negative characteristics on a particular race like you are.
 
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Hades said:
Please stop calling Lauren Southern a 'she'. He's legally a man :)
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I shouldn't laugh at the clip because it's not really a fair or legitimate counter-argument. But the way that protestor suddenly shuts up when Lauren tells her that she's a "he" is way too funny. I guess because it wouldn't work on anyone who isn't soaked in Identity Politics in the first place. You can see the protestor's brain just crash into itself.
 
StriderX said:
I'm more than happy to have a bunch of sexually repressed men bunk up.
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Please, please, please tell me that's not a statement that you're a gay man. Because many of these migrants are coming from cultures that despise you.

robgmun said:
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Would be better if it were longer and showed the protestor's stumbling to backtrack. And if it didn't have a swastika in the top-left.

Evangelion said:
That's not how this works. Asylum applicatons are assessed on a 'first come, first served' basis. There is no 'competition.'
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That's competition. If a person claiming to be a persecuted Christian gets in ahead of an actual persecuted Christian, then they've taken the "first come, first served" actual persecuted Christian's place. And, incidentally, probably left that actual persecuted Christian trapped in a camp riddled with ISIS supporters and others who will continue that persecution.
 
XeNoN89 said:
erm, what's with the swastika?
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Some idiot copies it onto their own channel, sticks that on and then cuts it down to one small reaction shot and then adds wa-wah music. They do it with loads of videos. :( Here's the original:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7vHvclMgYI

As I said, it's not really fair because it's not a valid counter-argument and Lauren's being disingenuous there. But it's kind of funny in the protestor's reaction and that this would only carry any weight with someone invested in Identity Politics in the first place.
 
Evangelion said:
They don't take someone's place. That's the beauty of the system. Nobody takes somebody's place, because there's no 'place' to take. You get assessed as soon as you apply for asylum, simple as that. If you're found to be a genuine refugee, you're allowed in. If not, you're rejected.
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This is true if there's unlimited acceptance of migrants and if processing times are short. Neither is remotely true and if you're inclined to quibble, perhaps take a look at these actual migrant camps.

Evangelion said:
Please list all the refugee camps currently 'riddled with ISIS supporters.' I'll wait.
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That's clearly an unreasonable and unattainable standard of proof. I'm basing it on interviews with migrants in camps who say their chief worries there are criminals within the camp and ISIS. I don't have those interviews to hand so you'll have to either take my word for it or insist that it isn't true unless I can give you specific detailed instances.

Should I somehow do that, you would then immediately declare that doesn't mean all camps are / that it's a significant problem and demand proof that it is. Rather than taking the reasonable position that entering through migrant camps is an obvious route of ingress for terrorists and that displaced ISIS fighters fleeing retaken areas are highly likely to pursue such options and that therefore we might well EXPECT this to be the case.
 
Oneshotbigshot said:
Doesn't really matter. A potentially interesting topic has been derailed into pointless side arguments.

If the tape is real and hasn't been grossly mispresented then I would find a very serious topic.

There is tremendous injustice in the world as can be seen with Asia Bibi etc. Things like the OP post can quickly turn sympathetic ears into calloused souls.
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I can well believe it's been edited to show only negative aspects. But I struggle to think of what could have been left in that would make it alright. As regard's the OP's post, I am the OP and I'd genuinely like to know what in my post qould quickly turn people into calloused souls. I feel that's a pretty unpleasant thing to say here. This is my post in its entirety again. What should I not have said in there?

h4rm0ny said:
I initially tried to find a less incendiary thread title, but that actually is the accurate description of what this organization has been doing, it seems.

https://www.rt.com/news/443812-migrants-acting-ngo-exposed/


Advocates Abroad are an American 501c3 tax-exempt organization based on Honolulu. Will be interested to learn who is funding them.
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