Transgender MTF picked for Olympics weightlifting
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A quick gander around looks like 153KG odd.
That's not a large amount by any long shot for a guy, but for a girl, that's closer to the current limits judging by previous records. Even at the higher weight class.
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Is this what the Americans mean when they say “misspoke”?
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Agreed. Much rather this than GBeebies.
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Out of interest what does a male of the same weight category lift compared to Hubbard?
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Hubbard is in the unlimited weight category so it's hard to compare. It's 87kg+ for Women but 109kg + for Men. Obviously they all tend to weigh significantly higher than that but the Men are a lot bigger than the Women in this class.
There are plenty of chromosomal anomalies that don't fit that statement, there's also people with intermixed organs to consider.
Cos progressive attitudes. Or something.
And what percentage of the population do those people make up?
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Now there is a limit to the amount of testosterone a female athlete is allowed. Hubbard I assume is taking inhibitors that lower hers the the required level. Semenya has a testosterone level that's a lot higher than the average female, if she took the same inhibitors as Hubbard to get it to a normal level she would be allowed to compete.
Neither of which actually change the fact that there are only two biological sexes. Deformities / abnormalities don't change the norm.
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Caster is assumed intersex (I don't think it was ever confirmed?) and her testosterone is in the male range. She basically has testes within her that will never descend but continue to produce testosterone. I don't believe she is allowed to compete anymore?
Laurel on the other hand is at the right testosterone level for a women. But clearly something is up here, as she has been a man most of her life and benefited from improved bone density, etc, etc.
10% of people are gay, it doesn't change their sex but something different is going on.
Just because it's normal doesn't make it absolute. Biology and psychology are littered with spectrum's, why would this be different?
Same here. In fact I'd go as far as to say I'm 100% in favour of these new women going forward and taking over in every single women's event and I would be 100% behind calling every woman who dares to complain about this somehow being "unfair" a bigoted right-wing transphobic Nazi who needs to be cancelled immediately for their anti inclusion and diversity views!
Ah, I see. Doesn't make sense but a bit clearer.
I just find the whole situation bizarre. Clean athletes use their natural attributes to their advantage. It's like Michael Phelps using his unique body proportions to help him swim better, Usain Bolt using his, long for a sprinter, legs to his advantage or a boxer with long arms using his reach advantage over a boxer with a shorter reach.
I just find it a really weird message that you can be born a female but banned from competing with females unless you have therapy to reduce your natural chemistry but if you're a dude and trained as a dude all of your life but then decided to transition later in life... That's A-OK.