Trinity crossfire

[humbug]

I'm not expecting it to do more than 5Ghz, but get there, or near? Yes!

Even the FX-4170 will do 4.8Ghz on a cooler like mine, which is nothing exotic. Probably the best sub £50 cooler there is but nothing more than that.

 

[Marine-RX179]

I'm not expecting it to do more than 5Ghz, but get there, or near? Yes!

Even the FX-4170 will do 4.8Ghz on a cooler like mine, which is nothing exotic. Probably the best sub £50 cooler there is but nothing more than that.

Invalid comparison. You are forgetting this is an APU with graphic onboard the chip, which could reduce the max overclock potential comparing to a CPU only FX chip. Similarly, it is harder to get a i7 to clock as high the i5 because of the HT and higher power consumption.

And I don't know why theory is still needed, when reviews already shown overclock results...with A10 5800K overclocking 4.4-4.5GHz already needing close to 1.5V on the vcore (possibly due to not solely a CPU, but with graphic onboard as well).

 

[slayer2005]

What GPU are you putting with the Trinity?
And if the previous set up was fine, this will be no worse, but it's a pointless upgrade.
It'd be like selling a full 2500k set up and getting a Z77 and Ivybridge set up (Pointless, bar the PCI-E 3.0 which doesn't do much yet)

Probably a 7850. But as u said it wont b any worse so why not pay 20-30 quid more for smthing new to see how it overclocks?

 

[varkanoid]

Well my phenom and gtx560 was fine for me so surley a step up gpu Nd the minor add on of the trinity is ok for me?

If it was fine for you then you should have waited to see what comes next.

 

[humbug]

Invalid comparison. You are forgetting this is an APU with graphic onboard the chip, which could reduce the max overclock potential comparing to a CPU only FX chip. Similarly, it is harder to get a i7 to clock as high the i5 because of the HT and higher power consumption.

And I don't know why theory is still needed, when reviews already shown overclock results...with A10 5800K overclocking 4.4-4.5GHz already needing close to 1.5V on the vcore (possibly due to not solely a CPU, but with graphic onboard as well).

Granted Trinity has an IGPU sucking power from the CPU and adding heat.

But as i said before just because a couple got this or that overclock it's not gospel, have a look at what some of those guys say the maximum overclock is on a Phenom II x6 with a mid-range air cooler and then look in my signature.

The thing is it's not just a case of ram the Volts and multiplyer up until it overheats or BSOD's, which is what a lot of these reviewers do, doing it like that will result in a bad overclock.

The NB volts and Multiplyer play a part in stable high frequency, even a small bump on the HT link can improve things, using tomany volts on the vCore can also result in a lower overclock with a lot of unnecessary heat also added, 1.5v to me looks WAY to high
C1E state and Q&Q can also bum the overclock.

So many variables and configurations to get it right, often they don't know or simply don't bother.

 

[Davedree]

Invalid comparison. You are forgetting this is an APU with graphic onboard the chip, which could reduce the max overclock potential comparing to a CPU only FX chip. Similarly, it is harder to get a i7 to clock as high the i5 because of the HT and higher power consumption.

And I don't know why theory is still needed, when reviews already shown overclock results...with A10 5800K overclocking 4.4-4.5GHz already needing close to 1.5V on the vcore (possibly due to not solely a CPU, but with graphic onboard as well).

I'm not not sure as havent played with one but putting in a gpu card would you not be able to power off the igpu ? as the athlon 750k has disabled igpu?

Seems a lot of the boards vary in their mosfet design,some seem skimpy others seem a little more beefy.

 

[Martini1991]

have a look at what some of those guys say the maximum overclock is on a Phenom II x6 with a mid-range air cooler and then look in my signature.

Sorry, but I'm going to come down heavy on this.
I was a launch 1055T owner, the 125W TDP one (Got 4050MHZ stable under prime myself), I participated on the OC'ing threads.
4.2GHZ wasn't unheard of for 1090T's on launch and was considered the achievable overclock.
Phenom II silicon is quite a decent clocker (At least in later variants, I myself ran a 4.375GHZ Thuban) and have had Callisto's running at 4.4GHZ.

4.2GHZ has been an achievable goal for Phenom II's for over 2 years.
Stability wise I can't say I've ever noticed a difference over air with my water other than that the temperatures were cooler.
And for air I'd always use my T.R.U.E Rev C.

Although, I do agree with the sentiment that I'd rather have one and overclock them myself than listen to others

 

[Marine-RX179]

I'm not not sure as havent played with one but putting in a gpu card would you not be able to power off the igpu ? as the athlon 750k has disabled igpu?

Seems a lot of the boards vary in their mosfet design,some seem skimpy others seem a little more beefy.

But surely disabling the graphic part of the APU would defeat the WHOLE PURPOSE of getting the Trinity in the first place wouldn't it?

 

[humbug]

Sorry, but I'm going to come down heavy on this.
I was a launch 1055T owner, the 125W TDP one (Got 4050MHZ stable under prime myself), I participated on the OC'ing threads.
4.2GHZ wasn't unheard of for 1090T's on launch and was considered the achievable overclock.
Phenom II silicon is quite a decent clocker (At least in later variants, I myself ran a 4.375GHZ Thuban) and have had Callisto's running at 4.4GHZ.

4.2GHZ has been an achievable goal for Phenom II's for over 2 years.
Stability wise I can't say I've ever noticed a difference over air with my water other than that the temperatures were cooler.
And for air I'd always use my T.R.U.E Rev C.

You just made my point again you have to look around the forums to see what experienced skilled overclockers are achieving.

Some random review spending 10 minutes clicking the + simple here and there is no measure of what the overclocking abilities are.

 

[Davedree]

not if the price was right, 50 roughly for 750k, compared to the a10.
Money saved goes towards a better gpu,

Or if you don't need 4 cores then intel g2120 or pentium

 

[Martini1991]

a lot of people advertise a clock they've achieved that isn't actually stable though, so forums aren't always accurate.
I form my opinions on the overclocking on what I've witnessed myself over using quite a few chips.

 

[slayer2005]

If it was fine for you then you should have waited to see what comes next.

I sold it to my neighbour yesterday and only took a 20 pound hit on what i paid to build it hence why i bought it last night,i was umming and arring wether to go back to the phenom at 59 quid before 12 am or take a pop at the trinity.
Well if its not going to be any worse and a slight improvment depending on the OC on the chip and on a new gpu then ill be ok.

 

[Marine-RX179]

You just made my point again you have to look around the forums to see what experienced skilled overclockers are achieving.

Some random review spending 10 minutes clicking the + simple here and there is no measure of what the overclocking abilities are.

Considering most of the time that people asking for advise ISN'T "experienced skilled" overclockers as you put it, then what does the max (potentially unstable) overclock claim by random individuals on forums has to do with them?

And honestly, it's a very big assumption to think that average Joes are better and more skilled overclockers than reviewers that know their stuffs (bash them as you may).

 

[humbug]

Considering most of the time that people asking for advise ISN'T "experienced skilled" overclockers as you put it, then what does the max (potentially unstable) overclock claim by random individuals on forums has to do with them?

And honestly, it's a very big assumption to think that average Joes are better and more skilled overclockers than reviewers that know their stuffs (bash them as you may).

i don't know how may different ways i can say this over and over again so i will simply quote myself.

as i said before just because a couple got this or that overclock it's not gospel.

That's the point i'm making, so unless you want to challenge that, there is nothing else to be said.

 

[Hagar]

I am seriously considering this as I need to go itx for downsizing the office. I will wait on the MSI itx board on sale soon before jumping.

I will have a 1090T, A99X motherboard and HD6950 2MB graphics to sell which may offset the costs by £200 or so.

So for about an extra £150 I will get the following plus mobo. We are not gamers but would like to run some car games like F1, Dirt etc. otherwise it is browsing, TV, films, office apps and coding tasks.

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD580KWOHJBOX) £95.99
1 x BitFenix Prodigy Mini-ITX Cube Case - Midnight Black £64.99
1 x Asus HD 6670 SILENT EDITION 1024MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card £59.99
1 x Adata XPG Xtreme v1.0 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17100C10 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (AX3U2133XC4G10-2X) £47.99
Total : £282.46 (includes shipping : £11.25).

 

[Martini1991]

Don't think I'd ever pay money for a downgrade of that magnitude.

 

[humbug]

I am seriously considering this as I need to go itx for downsizing the office. I will wait on the MSI itx board on sale soon before jumping.

I will have a 1090T, A99X motherboard and HD6950 2MB graphics to sell which may offset the costs by £200 or so.

So for about an extra £150 I will get the following plus mobo. We are not gamers but would like to run some car games like F1, Dirt etc. otherwise it is browsing, TV, films, office apps and coding tasks.

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD580KWOHJBOX) £95.99
1 x BitFenix Prodigy Mini-ITX Cube Case - Midnight Black £64.99
1 x Asus HD 6670 SILENT EDITION 1024MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card £59.99
1 x Adata XPG Xtreme v1.0 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17100C10 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (AX3U2133XC4G10-2X) £47.99
Total : £282.46 (includes shipping : £11.25).

Thats a very nice rig, and it will do the job you stated with flying colours.

But that is a step down from the Phenom II x6 + 6950 rig.

The only thing i can say is make sure the PSU you have fits that case.

 

[Hagar]

Don't think I'd ever pay money for a downgrade of that magnitude.

It is a question of losing an office and gaining a corner of a dining room unfortunately. So quietness and ablility to hide away except for the 24" screen are positives. It will double as a TV and entertainment centre.

I rarely if ever use all the power anyway.

 

[Martini1991]

Could be waiting a while for an ITX board though.
For ITX, even though it may be more costly, Intel (Or an older platform on either Intel or AMD) is the way to go.

 

[Davedree]

Its a nice case but my opinion of M-itx differs. That case to me isn't downsizing really in fact its bigger than my housemates m-atx case which houses a e5300 and 4870,

M-itx downsizing is expensive to m-atx. But m-itx to me is something like this.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=19405850

I know it doesnt have a slot for a discreet gpu but it was purely htpc,(could get gary the grinder out) but something around that size is what i consider worth downsizing to m-itx for

By the way i still use that phone its over 3 years old and has survived many near death experiences