Trump reinstates death penalty for federal crimes

Roar87 said:
Can you be specific on what your plan is for their imprisonment as an alternative to the death penalty, they get a garden now? Should someone who has killed 2 children get a cell with a garden? Do they get any visitation rights?
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It's not my job to design prisons, so no i wont pleasure you, the death penalty isn't happening.
 
Roar87 said:
Is locking someone up in a concrete room for the rest of their life with no possibility of release or contribution to society more humane or less humane than execution? I mean you would assume that without any social interaction or access to any sort of intellectual or physical stimulation most reasonable people would suffer from long term mental health disorders. This would seem to me to be effectively psychological torture, but this is preferable to execution apparently.
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Why not do both...

Let them enjoy life in a concrete block, knowing that everyday is slowly is a step closer to the Nitrogen chamber when either A their mental state goes away or they hit retirement age.

In-fact i have just thought a massive cost saving exercise you could give them Huel everyday for mealtimes. Probably be healthier as well :)
 
StriderX said:
It's not my job to design prisons, so no i wont pleasure you, the death penalty isn't happening.
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Ok then so no specifics, you're just opposed to the death penalty because it gives you a negative emotional reaction, where as locking someone up for life with a garden (maybe they can have an allotment?) doesn't give you the same emotional reaction. Please grace us more with this high level intellectual discussion.
 
StriderX said:
All which are resolved with a well designed prison, oh boy, how difficult.
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How does a well designed prison prevent a prisoner being released on a technicality?
And unless prisoners have zero interaction with each other or staff for the duration of their sentence, how does prison design prevent assaults?
 
Smokey Deza said:
I never understand people like you folk, why are you advocating their execution?

They should have been put in a concrete box for the rest of their days, so they can waste away all the while contemplating the choices that have put them there - THAT is punishment.

What you're offering up is nothing short of an easy way out.
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Why would you not advocate their execution? They are guilty of an extremely heinous crime, i would much rather see them dead than our government spend tax payers money on keeping them alive for the rest of their pointless existence. Do you honestly think they will contemplate what they have done, yeah sure. I read an article a while ago which i'm sure said that inmates of the same prison of Michael Adebolajo say that all he does is cause issues, and constantly shouts his mouth off trying to spread his extremist beliefs to other inmates.
 
weathmatth said:
Why would you not advocate their execution? They are guilty of an extremely heinous crime, i would much rather see them dead than our government spend tax payers money on keeping them alive for the rest of their pointless existence. Do you honestly think they will contemplate what they have done, yeah sure. I read an article a while ago which i'm sure said that inmates of the same prison of Michael Adebolajo say that all he does is cause issues, and constantly shouts his mouth off trying to spread his extremist beliefs to other inmates.
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Because you dont know completely that they've done it, how ******* HARD IS THIS. You cannot taint the system by having imaginary tiers of justice. They have right to appeal, and a right to life, regardless of what you think or feel, which makes it expensive to just "kill them".

enkoda said:
How does a well designed prison prevent a prisoner being released on a technicality?
And unless prisoners have zero interaction with each other or staff for the duration of their sentence, how does prison design prevent assaults?
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Then that trial wasn't done correctly, you're advocating murdering someone who's trial was poorly done...

You design it such that the guards are trained in handling dangerous people, unless you're advocating that guards should not be trained.
 
StriderX said:
Because you dont know completely that they've done it, how ******* HARD IS THIS. You cannot taint the system by having imaginary tiers of justice. They have right to appeal, and a right to life, regardless of what you think or feel, which makes it expensive to just "kill them".
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They were caught on camera trying to cut his head off, plus countless of other eyewitnesses, i think that's pretty guilty to me....
 
weathmatth said:
They were caught on camera trying to cut his head off, plus countless of other eyewitnesses, i think that's pretty guilty to me....
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I don't think so and neither does the justice system, Camera's aren't infallible, people aren't infallible.

By the looks of things they're going to become a lot less accurate with the enhanced real time editing in the future.

You can argue til you're blue in the face, you can't make the impossible possible, and that's the limitation imposed on arbitrarily murdering someone.
 
StriderX said:
I don't think so and neither does the justice system, Camera's aren't infallible, people aren't infallible.

By the looks of things they're going to become a lot less accurate with the enhanced real time editing in the future.

You can argue til you're blue in the face, you can't make the impossible possible, and that's the limitation imposed on arbitrarily murdering someone.
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Dude, he admitted killing Lee Rigby....
 
StriderX said:
I don't think so and neither does the justice system, Camera's aren't infallible, people aren't infallible.

By the looks of things they're going to become a lot less accurate with the enhanced real time editing in the future.

You can argue til you're blue in the face, you can't make the impossible possible, and that's the limitation imposed on arbitrarily murdering someone.
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Oh, *PLEASE*, this is just insane, there were multiple reliable witnesses, clear camera evidence and an admittance, almost with pride, of guilt by Adebolago, yet you decide the evidence and verdict is suspect? I honestly think you need to take a step back and realise that some of your recent posts are becoming hysterically slanted by your presumably liberal agenda.
 
StriderX said:
Then that trial wasn't done correctly, you're advocating murdering someone who's trial was poorly done...

You design it such that the guards are trained in handling dangerous people, unless you're advocating that guards should not be trained.
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No - your post said that a well designed prison would eliminate (amongst the other things I listed) the possibility of a prisoner being released on a technicality.
And humans aren't infallible - a guard can have all the training possible, but that doesn't prevent an opportunistic or determined prisoner intent from causing harm.

The actual point I was making was that executing a prisoner sentenced to death means they present *zero* risk to the public, prison staff or other inmates, whereas keeping them in prison in places staff and prisoners at *some* risk and if released also places the public at *some* risk. On that basis alone, the death penalty presents the best outcome for the safety of everyone, imprisonment temporarily reduces risk to the public. Even prisoners with whole life sentences can be let out - under guard - to attend things like hospital, funerals, court, etc, the classic example being Ian Brady who was let out twice to search for his victims.
 
StriderX is brain dead, he's able to type and read but he doesn't have the intelligence to critically analyse his own ideas, he doesn't wish to entertain philosophising about the merits of an idea, his ideas are formed from rigid ideology. Essentially it's a waste of time engaging him in any discussion, you can just read an article on The Guardian and it'll be almost his exact views with no deviation
 
Roar87 said:
StriderX is brain dead, he's able to type and read but he doesn't have the intelligence to critically analyse his own ideas, he doesn't wish to entertain philosophising about the merits of an idea, his ideas are formed from rigid ideology. Essentially it's a waste of time engaging him in any discussion, you can just read an article on The Guardian and it'll be almost his exact views with no deviation
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Insults now is it, because you lost the argument of a losers position.

I am just reiterating a non-barbaric opinion that is held by numerous western countries on the meritless use of capital punishment, which is fundamentally against the moral integrity of which we're sworn to uphold as citizens.

Until such a time that this isn't true, anyone "for" capital punishment is for animalistic barbarism and afferent destruction of our culture.
 
StriderX said:
Insults now is it, because you lost the argument of a losers position.

I am just reiterating a non-barbaric opinion that is held by numerous western countries on the meritless use of capital punishment, which is fundamentally against the moral integrity of which we're sworn to uphold as citizens.

Until such a time that this isn't true, anyone "for" capital punishment is for animalistic barbarism and afferent destruction of our culture.
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I occasionally stop responding because it isn't my full time job, please don't see that as me having "lost an argument", you could barely even muster a reply a few posts back and resorted to "the death penalty isn't happening" when I tried to put some nuance and debate into the topic by asking if you felt psycholocal torture via a life time of solitary confinement was more humane, or indeed less barbaric than the death penalty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Here's something to maybe have a think about
 
Roar87 said:
I occasionally stop responding because it isn't my full time job, please don't see that as me having "lost an argument", you could barely even muster a reply a few posts back and resorted to "the death penalty isn't happening" when I tried to put some nuance and debate into the topic by asking if you felt psycholocal torture via a life time of solitary confinement was more humane, or indeed less barbaric than the death penalty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Here's something to maybe have a think about
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And instead of debating you've gone off on a "librul lol" rant instead, so it's par for the course.

I wont be swayed, and neither will you.
 
StriderX said:
And instead of debating you've gone off on a "librul lol" rant instead, so it's par for the course.

I wont be swayed, and neither will you.
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I haven't even said I supported the death penalty, I don't! I even said as much in this thread I think? I'm OPEN to the idea though because there are legitimate arguments on both sides. There isn't one side that has a rock solid argument. My concern is about executing innocent people. If how ever you can establish beyond any doubt that someone is guilty of multiple murders or killing a child, then I can see a case for the death penalty. I wouldn't execute someone for a single murder which they plead guilty for though.
 
weathmatth said:
I read an article a while ago which i'm sure said that inmates of the same prison of Michael Adebolajo say that all he does is cause issues
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Well, he hoped to be martryred by the Police but didn't really go as planned. And now he's in prison, never to be released. Of course he's ****** off.

But then if we stopped being a bunch of pansies and just shoved him into solitary there wouldn't issues would there?
 
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