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I dont know how many make use of the MM here on OcUK,i do and on a whole find it to be a very trustworthy place,and a usefull tool for selling off unwanted kit after upgrades,or when looking for upgrades.

Just recently i have noticed that there has been a couple of instances where people have apparently been ripped off,by quite large amounts of money in some cases.

It seems that this has happened when there has been low trust,or no trust.Here lies a problem of somebody who has just gained access to the MM and has no trust rating,Its a problem because the buyer will say "Can you send the componants and i will pay when i have recieved,because you havent any trust rating".

And of course the new member doesnt want to let the goods go without seeing the money.I suppose one way is to build your trust up by buying inexpensive items,untill you gain some trust rating.

I feel bad for you guys and hope you get it sorted,its a shame to let a couple of people spoil this exellent place for buying and selling MM.

On a side not the place i work does not pay your wages when you are sick.So if any of our workmates goes off genuinly sick for some time we all club in some money each week to ease the burden of having no wages,knowing that this could be you at some point.

I would be more than willing if it could be set up, to give some money back to you guys who have been ripped off,if enough people feel as bad about this as i do it wouldnt take much.
 
I couldn't believe he did it tbh, no signs at all that he was trying to rip people off, just completely out of the blue :(
I hope you guys get your money back, and that other members don't stop using mm.
 
Maybe ocuk can charge a small fee for the use of the MM,i know this may not be popular with everybody,but would leave funds in place to help out when deals go pear shaped

Just a couple of quid a year paid via paypal maybe,i'd be happy to pay to use it.

Would that make any sense Or would this be unworkable ?

Rob
 
Trouble with the feedback is not many people even fill it out. Mine is at 7 but i have done loads of deals through M&M.
What i look for is post count and then i read all there posts. I like to get a feel for who i am dealing with and also like to check to see if they have posted questions about the goods they are selling.
When i go into a deal though i exchange phone numbers and addys etc i do Nothing strictly through e-mail. I want a house phone number aswell as the moby number. If it's a postal deal then i Only send postal orders or do a bank transfer. I like postal orders as you need the sellers home addy for him to recieve the postal orders so at least you have a place to find him/her if all goes norks up.
All my deals on M&M have been excellent and only yesterday i met a member in the M1 services for a quick purchase. He came on time, goods were as stated and the deal was done in a few mo's.
I could have stayed chatting for ages but i had my KFC getting cold in the car. :p
 
This is why OcUK should not allow users to use MM, based purely on how many posts they can spam our fourms with..

The way OcUK judges how a person is allowed access to the MM, makes my blood boil. It means any old 12 year old kid (with the knowledge) with a bank account can spam us with 250 posts, then have access to MM granted.

On the downside, I have seen members here, who have been here for 2+ years, crying for access to MM and only have a postcount of say 80.

So let me sum this up: Been here for a week and you have 250+ posts? Access to MM granted! Been here for 2 years and have less than 250 posts? Access denied!

How stupid!
 
Never thought of it like that mate but you are right. It should somehow be linked to time served or perhaps only given under the Dons discretion.
Dons and UB's could get a good enouth feel about a dude to tell when M&M access should be given rather than based on just postcount.

Nods in agreement with Basmic.
 
Very good point there. Maybe the whole MM should be looked at

I am usually very cautious when dealing with new members with access to the MM.

The amount of deals that go on week to week in the MM.It's actually very rare you see this kind of thread regarding a rip off

Rob
 
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Basmic has a very valid point there..


Ive also been thinking, isn't there some way that dude can be traced VIA I.P Adress, surely OcUK are doing something about getting those people their money back
 
malc30 said:
Never thought of it like that mate but you are right. It should somehow be linked to time served or perhaps only given under the Dons discretion.
Dons and UB's could get a good enouth feel about a dude to tell when M&M access should be given rather than based on just postcount.

Nods in agreement with Basmic.
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You can't expect that to be a feasible solution - the dons can't keep track of every member and what they're like. Even if they could, what if they give someone access and then they rip another member off - are they then responsible because they gave that member "the ok"?
 
TaKeN said:
Ive also been thinking, isn't there some way that dude can be traced VIA I.P Adress, surely OcUK are doing something about getting those people their money back
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They can get their IP iirc, but I doubt that unless it went to the police that they could find out their address through their IP. Then again I think they have his address already.
 
So far all my deals on the MM have turned out ok.
I had one deal go pear shaped but all is resolved now.

Only thing that annoys me at times is a few people don't give out trust, so my points are about half what they should be.

Having to get people judged by a don/UB before they are allowed in the MM is a much better idea than 250 posts.

A few weeks ago I wanted to buy something of someone new to the MM, he had no trust and refused to send up front, so I pulled out in the end (being paranoid about loosing quite a bit of money, and this was at the same time I was having a few issues with another deal)

My first deal was before I was even on the MM mind, sold a Winnie3000 to Eulogy, who paid after. So I had a lot of trust placed in him without being able to do anything about it but it all went well :)



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$loth said:
They can get their IP iirc, but I doubt that unless it went to the police that they could find out their address through their IP. Then again I think they have his address already.
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Its possible to get an address from and IP through the provider iirc.
A host to one of the servers I used to play on for UT2004 had a very abusing player.
He traced the ip of the player and noticed he lived around the corner, went and banged on his door and yelled at him :D
 
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TaKeN said:
Basmic has a very valid point there..


Ive also been thinking, isn't there some way that dude can be traced VIA I.P Adress, surely OcUK are doing something about getting those people their money back
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It's not really OcUK's responsibility, they're providing these forums as a free service to those who want to use it.
 
Volcs said:
You can't expect that to be a feasible solution - the dons can't keep track of every member and what they're like. Even if they could, what if they give someone access and then they rip another member off - are they then responsible because they gave that member "the ok"?
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Currently the Moderator's have to give each member the ok, for MM.

I even recall seeing a link a couple of weeks ago, and how they were mocking OcUK - the way new members spam their way to 250+ posts, purely to get into MM.

This is how I think things should go:
  1. A user joins OcUK. For 12 months, they are not permitted access to MM, regardless of who they are, and how high their postcount is.
  2. After 12 months, any user wishing to gain access to MM must email a Moderator.
  3. The Moderator requests an home address to write to, so they can send an authorisation code to the user.
  4. Once the Moderator receives confirmation of the posted authorisation code, access to MM is granted.
The above method, I feel, confirms that the user does exist at the address. Moderators can then store this address until needed.

Perhaps an annually £5 charge would help cover the "admin" fees, for MM.
 
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basmic said:
Currently the Moderator's have to give each member the ok, for MM.

I even recall seeing a link a couple of weeks ago, and how they were mocking OcUK - the way new members spam their way to 250+ posts, purely to get into MM.

This is how I think things should go:
  1. A user joins OcUK. For 12 months, they are not permitted access to MM, regardless of who they are, and how high their postcount is.
  2. After 12 months, any user wishing to gain access to MM must email a Moderator.
  3. The Moderator requests an home address to write to, so they can send an authorisation code to the user.
  4. Once the Moderator receives confirmation of the posted authorisation code, access to MM is granted.
The above method, I feel, confirms that the user does exist at the address. Moderators can then store this address until needed.

Perhaps an annually £5 charge would help cover the "admin" fees, for MM.
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Great idea's there,as i said before ,i would be more than happy to pay an annual fee for use of the MM

Rob
 
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