Tube Strike -- 9th-11th

If you think the dissolution of unions wont give a free reign to employers to treat staff how they like then you are clearly delusional.

So why is it the companies I have worked out with no union representation haven't treated their staff like peasents to be whipped till they die? Many companies get along fine without unions which sort of gives a lie to this statement.

And on the subject of "everyone else is being made redundant/having no pay rises, why should union members be any different".

Complete employment and total utilisation of the workforce with manageable incremental pay increases is one of the main recognised ways of staving off or even stopping a recession. So, those people who criticise unions for unilaterally fighting any form of redundancy, bear this in mind - they are trying to stop the recession.

So a company that is already struggling and about to go to the wall will be saved by having a union pressing for no redundancies and increased pay?

Every person should, if they so desire and are capable, have a right to well paid and meaningful work, so that their drain on society is minimised and thier contribution maximised.

And if the jobs aren't actually there we should force companies to provide them?
 
LOL @ random drug testing - you make it sound like staying off illegal drugs is a challenging part of their job - maybe it is??

Its not just illegal drugs. It also includes bog standard alcohol (such as beer which can be bought from supermarkets) and pharmaceutical drugs which make you drowsy.
 
Its not just illegal drugs. It also includes bog standard alcohol (such as beer which can be bought from supermarkets) and pharmaceutical drugs which make you drowsy.

Thanks for pointing that out! I was wondering where these ethanol containing beverages were coming from! How is it any different to armed response police/pilots...etc who reguarly take these tests? It's not rocket science. You pee in a damn cup! You don't drink too heavily, take medications which stop you from functioning to do your job (which you should be looking out for if you work with heavy machinery or anything remotely dangerous) and not taking any recreational drugs. It's not exactly a skill.
 
They get 35-40k not including overtime
8 weeks paid vacation
Don't have to work nights making London one of the only major capitals without 24h transport
Free travel for themselves and immediate family (£6k)
Oh. did i mention they work hours that are practically part-time?

Now they want above inflation pay rises while the rest of the country suffers pay freezes, redundancies and bankrupcy
in a company with a £2bn deficit next year
I would love to know how the pro-idiot, sorry i meant pro-rmt people in this thread suggest they fix that problem

They should sack the lot of them, and offer a non-strike contract as said a few times in this thread
Maybe even clear up the 2 year waiting list so people who actually appreciate the job can have a go and get rid of the lazy, greedy, morons in the process

No, I was just exploding the myth that driving a train is easy.
It is easy... you're description is testemant to that if that is the best you can come up with why the job is "difficult"
you are pretending like they don't know what they are signing up for so should deserve some sort of sympathy
 
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I know this will have already been said a million times, but Strikes.. bloody ridiculous if ask me. I'm sure there are more than enough people willing to do their jobs. Think I can remember Richard Branson saying once that if one of his companies wanted to strike they could walk out but they'd lose their jobs and he'd just employ someone else.
 
Oh and I'll be trying to get across central london tomorrow on the way back to uni so bring it on you striking ****s :P
 
HAHAHA **** you Bob Crow, my journey into work was one of the easiest I've had today, Northern Line was running, Jubliee was running between London Bridge and Canary Wharf :D.

Let's not tar all the tube workers with the same brush, the ASLEF union guys refused to walk out and that meant the whole Northern Line was running and most of the other lines had at least a part service. London won't be held to ransom by these militant loonies :)
 
Two journeys which should have taken 1 hour total took 3 hours. Ridiculous. Should be able to sue someone.


I think they (managers) should have gone to the picket line and started giving away the jobs to whoever wanted them in front of the picket line. Increasing unemployment -> Lower wages. Not higher whens, especially when inflation is going to be very low next year.

How are strikes anything but blackmail?
 
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I think the reason why they are striking is because they know that London Underground (and its staff) is a very important part of how London works. When London Underground closes, London can quite literally grind to a halt. The strikes take full advantage of this.

Also, bear in mind that the staff who have walked out consist of people from all grades - not just train drivers. The guys who work at stations usually get paid less than what train drivers get, so dont assume that all London Underground workers get £40kpa.
 
I don't know where the myth of £40k comes from.

Salary typically starts at just over £25k. That minimum hasn't changed since 2002 by the way.

They look for fit and alert individuals with excellent eyesight and good hearing. A basic understanding of mechanics is also useful, as drivers often deal with faults on the train. Drivers must also have a sense of responsibility, be punctual and reliable, and be good at keeping calm in emergencies. Skill at dealing with people is also an advantage.

Each driver follows a training course and sits exams. Courses last from 22 weeks (London Underground) to 48 weeks (GNER).

Income

Trainee drivers earn from £14,000 to £15,000, but once qualified, immediately earn from £25,000 to £30,000, depending on the train operating company. All drivers within a company get the same amount, but overtime can easily increase this by £1,000 a year. London Underground drivers also get free travel on the Tube.

Train drivers get from 35 to 40 days' holiday a year as they often work unsociable hours, and at bank holidays and weekends.

Perks

Train driving can be ideal for people who want to change career. Training is provided by each of the respective train operating companies, and a recruit will be a fully qualified within a year. The job is not ageist; drivers can be any age from 18. Although there is a high level of responsibility on the job, you don't generally take stress and worry home with you. There is room for promotion to areas from mechanics to management.

Disadvantages

Drivers have to concentrate for long periods of time while alone, and although much of the day can be rather tedious, they have to be alert at all times. Working shifts around the clock, seven days a week, often at irregular hours on bank holidays and at weekends, can be tiring and make it difficult to have a social life.

Tube trains are dirty, and drivers' skin and clothes are filthy after working a shift. It is also dark in the tunnels, and the lack of scenery can get depressing.

Most people in this thread come across as simply jealous that someone is earning a decent wage for a difficult job (don't tell me it's not difficult - I've experienced it first hand) which includes unsociable hours.

No mate, I did medicine. No regrets on my part.

Quit moaning about someone else earning more than you then.
 
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I know. All doctors should strike until they are paid 2 million in cash each. If you class that as blackmail, so is this.
 
So why is it the companies I have worked out with no union representation haven't treated their staff like peasents to be whipped till they die?

Because employees are protected by UK employment law, which co-incidentally enough, 99% of was introduced because of Union action and pressure. So, even those who aren't in a union or work in a company without a recognised union still owe thanks to the unions.

And if it all goes belly up and your employer flouts those laws, you can approach the Citizens Advice Bereau which, again co-incidentally enugh, is a registered charity partly funded by the, yep you've guessed it, the Trades Union Council!
 
Because employees are protected by UK employment law, which co-incidentally enough, 99% of was introduced because of Union action and pressure. So, even those who aren't in a union or work in a company without a recognised union still owe thanks to the unions.

So when you said:

If you think the dissolution of unions wont give a free reign to employers to treat staff how they like then you are clearly delusional.

You were actually talking rubbish?
 
BTW, for those of you who were using the roads today, how was your journey home? I shall be on my motorbike tomorrow, so it should be interesting to see how busy the roads are.
 
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