Turbo bins for 10th Gen Intel

[Shac]

oops

 

[subbytna]

Same with the ryzen 5 3600 and the ryzen 9 3900 non x both are 65w I guess its measured at base frequencies with the 12 core part having a much lower base clock.

Didn't know that. Cheers.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Here comes another round off bashing Intel for every tiny little thing people can think off...

I don't bash them for tiny little things. Their pricing is anything but tiny little...
I bash them for the cost, and the limited upgrade path they allow on existing platforms.
Every "new" CPU needs a new motherboard. We know half of it's tosh, as 8th/9th gen CPUs will run in older boards.
If I'm going to be buying a new board, there's little reason to stick with Intel.

 

[BigEars]

The new chips have slower single core due to hardware vulnerability fixes. It's the exact same thing that happened to Cascade Lake, the new vulnerability fixes have reduced single core performance by 5 to 10%.

I thought the Cinebench results were due to...

Let us compare the execution units of AMD's Ryzen with current Intel processors. AMD has four 128-bit units for floating point and vector operations. Two of these can do addition and two can do multiplication. Intel has two 256-bit units, both of which can do addition as well as multiplication. This means that floating point code with scalars or vectors of up to 128 bits will execute on the AMD processor at a maximum rate of four instructions per clock (two additions and two multiplications), while the Intel processor can do only two.

What is Max Turbo 3.0 if it is not Single Core but boosts higher?.

Would assume where some core(s) are better than others so get to run a little faster but I could be wrong. My i7-6800k has this technology but is a lemon of an overclocker. Was hoping to get a bit extra with turbo max 3.0 but with some testing it turned out all cores were as poor as each other, 4GHz @ 1.3V. I'd have to say personally it was my most disappointing processor to date and perhaps part of the reason I haven't bought any newer CPU's since.

 

[Grim5]

What's that got to do with the new hardware vulnerability fixes?

 

[BigEars]

Nothing, which is why I quoted Agner from 2017. As far as I'm aware Ryzen outperforms Intel in Cinebench clock for clock as per stated quote. Your post came across as security issues being the reason.

The new chips have slower single core due to hardware vulnerability fixes.

Since you mentioned it though, with my E5-V3 Xeon the software patches and microcode patch made no noticeable difference to CBR20. Well that was from Sept/Oct so maybe things have changed. I was under the impression the HW fixes are supposed to be less invasive but lets wait a bit more to see.

there are 10700k Cinebench20 single thread scores floating around, the 10700k which boosts up to 5.1ghz only gets 490 score, a 9900KS gets 520 score with only 5ghz and a 9900k gets 500 score and a 3950x gets 530 score.

If run on the same HW, software and clocks why are the 9900KS and 9900K so different? For the 9900K there's P0 and R0 stepping, R0 being the same as the 9900KS so R0 should be the same in which case the older P0 would be worse meaning HW fixups have improved but I suspect it's just different setups.

Some other results

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-intel_core_i9_9900ks-950

At least some results out there are certainly off

Not much use except for click bait.

 

[Panos]

Intels pricing is ridiculous

actual listings have gone Live and the bottom end 10600 non k is $250usd (before tax) Look how many models are above it

Dont forget these CPUs needs LGA1200 motherboard, which is going to be replaced next year if not by December.

And is not first time Intel makes absolete a whole motherboard platform in the same year. Z270 -7000 series is just 3 years ago when it was released in February and by October was replaced with Z370 -8000 series.

 

[cooky560]

I've noticed I can buy an 1200 socket motherboard on pre-order, but the cpus are no-where to be found, why are the motherboards for sale if I can't buy the chip?

 

[Captain]

Haha +1

Still find it hilarious that intel's 5 year old 14nn architecture and 4.5 year old Skylake (cometlake) is still the fastest CPU for games.

Granted intel runs hot and uses more power, though can't deny it's still faster for games

Is that you 48K?

 

[Dave2150]

Is that you 48K?

It's my opinion, whats yours? We're all entitled to our own opinions, though no clue why you spend your replying to posts I made in February, each to his own I guess

 

[Captain]

It's my opinion, whats yours? We're all entitled to our own opinions, though no clue why you spend your replying to posts I made in February, each to his own I guess

It seems like you’re trying to bait people into an AMD v Intel argument from what I can see.

Which is why I said are you 48K? He’s another joker that trolls on here.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Haha +1

Still find it hilarious that intel's 5 year old 14nn architecture and 4.5 year old Skylake (cometlake) is still the fastest CPU for games.

Granted intel runs hot and uses more power, though can't deny it's still faster for games

Exactly, I agree 100% with your observation. Why cant Intel beat a 5 year old CPU? They're stood still like a statue, motionless.

AMD make huge gains with every generation - very fast progress.

 

[Pannalicour]

Haha +1

Still find it hilarious that intel's 5 year old 14nn architecture and 4.5 year old Skylake (cometlake) is still the fastest CPU for games.

Granted intel runs hot and uses more power, though can't deny it's still faster for games

Intel has more market share and do not forget that Intel dominated the gameindustrie for years. The most game engine are still optimised for Intel. More market share is more attention simple as that.

 

[Grim5]

do not forget that Intel dominated the gameindustrie for years. The most game engine are still optimised for Intel.

That's starting to change! When games are optimized for Ryzen, AMD doesn't even need Zen 3 to beat Intel

 

[Panos]

I wonder if Intel will be only offering a 1 year warranty on these Chips as they do with the 9900KS unlike the 3 year warranty that they usually offer.
This due to the fact that they are stretching every ounce of power out of this architecture.

Yep. Silicon degradation will be the norm. And by next year this month, they will tell you here is take a 12th series equivalent to replace your CPU, where you would need LGA1700 socket motherboard to use.