turbos in diesels why are they percieved as a problem?

Still not going to be a five-minute job to swap one out (if even possible, many are integrated into transmission housings and the like), :D


Arrgggghhh!!! You see!!!! Why why why. Just fit one of these in the engine bay, bolt the thing down with M10's and be done with it. Bloody unnecessary over engineering.

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Yeah good point. In that case I'd go a turbo on either side, running cylinders 1 and 2 off one turbo and cylinders 3 and 4 off another.

What's wrong with big engine bays? There is a reason why this works so well:

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Plenty of room for turbos in here. All engines should be like this.

That’s a truck. Can tell by the upper control arms, loads more room and wheels low away from the body give you loads more z height. None of that is EU6 compliant anyway.
 
But my point is that a modern powerplant could be made accessible in the same way as the older engines were, but with modern components and reliability. Best of both worlds.

Are these new electric motors any better? Many less components I would imagine, so should be simple to unbolt the electric motor and bolt a new one in yes?

No. Far from it.
 
Turbo's reach very high RPM and high temperature. They are also, as far as manufacturing cars goes, you have a component is very intricate, fragile and finely balanced yet much reach high temperatures whilst also spinning very quickly. So basically, you have expensive metal alloys and process intensive close tollerance manufacturing = expensive.

Diesel fuel pumps and diesel injectors can lead to the death of diesel cars too, they all work under high pressure becuase diesel engine are all compression ignition. The fuel is injected into the combustion chamber after the piston has compressed all the air. As such most of the fuel system on diesels operates at over 1000psi.

Petrol cars on the other hand are a lot simpler.
 
cars are becoming more and more disposable, and almost advertised as such with older models requested for "scrappage" schemes - as soon as someone thinks they can get money back trading their old car as scrappage, it's instantly made them regard the car as just another disposable commodity...

As has already been mentioned, it wouldn't be a surprise if a car manufacturer (much like a white goods manufacturer) will try to ensure a budget vehicle will last as long as the warranty + a couple years, but frankly doesn't care too much after that, with probably a 10yr max life. Once the car is too old for their in-house approved used scheme, then they want/need their customers to update their model... On top of this, they're getting more and more complicated, with the ecu(s) monitoring and controlling more and more, so it's understandable that the manufacturer is less and less interested (or even willing) to want joe public fiddling and replacing parts - conveniently, this also allows them repeat business with elevated service/repair costs... But, it's not all bad news, modern cars are amazingly more reliable than those of 10-20 years ago - look at the M135i, it's arguably a semi-performance car, but it's service schedule is 2yrs/20k miles - that would be insane for any car 10 years ago, let alone a 300+bhp 6 pot turbo.

Down the line, it's conceivable that manufacturers will be more and more keen to stop us being able to access component/electronics... Consider self-driving cars, which are obviously in development at the moment - there's recently been a fatal crash where some are saying the auto-pilot/car was to blame. Now, consider what would happen if Tesla/whoever could prove that the owner had been fiddling with the electronics, or had extra electronics (even something like a piggy-back ecu) wired into the car's main systems - how long before they would be arguing that their safety systems could potentially be compromised by customers fiddling... so, you could well imagine that everything will get more and more locked down and inaccessible.

regarding diesel vs petrol turbos - I can't remember hearing one was less reliable than the other, but I could possibly understand a diesel turbo having a shorter life, as it would be used far earlier in the rev-range, and thus spooled more when then car is cold compared to an equivalent petrol. But, then I guess the same applies for the modern small (1 litre) engines which rely on a turbo for some oomph too - presumably they use the boost through the rev-range, instead of the old wait to mid revs and OOOooomph.

and the early debate about engine-layouts. sure, have all the ancillaries easily accessible - it's not like the engine is ever needed to be accessed to change oil filter, plugs, coils, timing belt/chain, aux belt, etc. Arguably the head-gasket may statistically need changing before some of the mentioned ancillaries. The amount of stuff that presently gets squeezed into the engine bay is frankly amazing and I can only tip my hat to the engineers - unless it takes more than 20mins to change the bulbs, at which point I would argue that critical component access/serviceability is being sacrificed... (I now remember taking ~2hrs to change the headlight bulbs in my 2012 mx5 and required removing the wheel arch liner and a hand going in via there...
 
That’s a truck. Can tell by the upper control arms, loads more room and wheels low away from the body give you loads more z height. None of that is EU6 compliant anyway.

Being the boring American car guy for a moment, I'm pretty sure it's just a mid-sized Chevrolet – probably a Camaro or Chevelle or similar. Pretty much identical to the front end of my old Firebird. That was one of the reasons I used a modern Camaro engine bay shot. :)

The bay from a '70s C10 pick-up wouldn't look that much different, mind – but in earlier, bigger trucks the engine always sits (in my mind, at least) a lot higher over the rails, which also tend to be closer together. That's how I picture it, at least, anyway. :D

Not small cars, in any instance, anyway... and certainly not exempt from being jam-packed and hard to work on. My '68 Charger was bigger than an S-Class but the engine bay was absolutely rammed, despite a relatively clean appearance. Even changing the plugs was a pain. Same story on many a classic....
 
Just as a slight aside to this, but along the same lines, at work we do a lot of what is called a life cycle durability testing.

This treats various components of the vehicle to what the manufacturers designate as the expected life of the vehicle.

A few years ago this was equivalent ofoarounf 150,000 miles.

Currently for at least three major manufacturers based in the UK, its the equivalent of around 100,000 miles

One of those manufacturers had already told us that next year it will drop to half that.

That is how long they expect the cars to live.
 
Just as a slight aside to this, but along the same lines, at work we do a lot of what is called a life cycle durability testing.

This treats various components of the vehicle to what the manufacturers designate as the expected life of the vehicle.

A few years ago this was equivalent ofoarounf 150,000 miles.

Currently for at least three major manufacturers based in the UK, its the equivalent of around 100,000 miles

One of those manufacturers had already told us that next year it will drop to half that.

That is how long they expect the cars to live.

Hmm, the cynic in me says that since Vauxhall went to PSA, it's going to be them.

I'd expect a car to last at least to 250,000 or 15 years. Currently i'm over that on age and under on milage.

It would be nice to see manufacturer expected life as information that comes with cars, also other info i'd wished i'd had was Euro emission standard, all pollution statistics and overall Co2 footprint of manufacture.

They tell you everything else right down to how many USB sockets there are but can you get hold of exhaust data....no....no you can't.
 
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