Turkish Grand Prix 2011, Istanbul Park - Race 4/19

Who's destroyed their tyres?
Row erg with the rears, but that's not due to following.

The only other one I have seen is Hamilton. Yet we have plenty of midfielders and even top runners following for a few laps.
 
A few things

1) tyre unpredictability has gone. With the exception of mclaren. Everyone now knows more stops the better and if if races continue like this the hards do not last long enough for any mix up in strategy. Which was so hoped for.
2) one of the rbr mechanics said (and I agree with) saving an extra set of tyres for the race isn't needed. They degrade with time and only have 1 lap of use in qualifying. What makes the difference is having more pit stops, scrubbed tyres or not.
3) removal of double diffuser has worked wonder on reducing dirty air and closer following and more over taking over all of the lap.
4) DRS is far to easy, pointless and is still an unfair device. FIA panicked and threw to many new rules into one season. Rather than just sticking with what they knew, that removing dirty air drastically helps.
 
What's the point in that. Letting a car pass is not racing. What you are saying is you just what qualifying and that is it.

They've been following much closer in all races this year.
 
Yeah the director was good at showing the action which is a start, but he also kept cutting to other action, but was to late and missed it. Thus missing both pieces of action.

It is isnt it, no one is being constant behind him, all scribbling over points.
 
Which again comes back to you want time trailing not racing. DRS can never. Be acceptable in races, it is incompatible, due to the way it works.

We've seen a fair amount of over taking all yeah and not just in DRS zone. Just because some races are less than others, doesn't mean you need DRS to keep overtaking unto several a lap. There is no skill or enjoyment derived by a DRS over take, it is utterly boring to watch and spoils the true racing.
 
Setroc said:
I agree, and this is not even mentioning the fact that DRS helps to allow cars to follow more closely in the first place. It was when you were within one second of the car in front in previous seasons where the dirty air affected you the most, and you'd see it so often that faster cars would get closer and closer to the car in front until they got within that one second window, and they would stop getting closer, even though they had previously been 3-4 tenths quicker or even more than that at some circuits per lap. The DRS now cancels that massive disadvantage of dirty air out, and that's what I think is allowing them to follow more closely in the first place, rather than the other rule changes.

Right now though it does look like DRS is slightly too strong to me. I'd like it to cancel out that dirty air disadvantage and no more.
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That is so wrong on so many levels

For a start DRS does not make them follow closer. It can only be used on one straight, when it is disengaged they hit the dirty air and would fall back. They don't they can now follow at around 0.5 seconds. That is close enough to enter the slip stream on straights.

It is not like a slip stream from the past. The car using DRS has the advantage until they brake, compared to slipstream where they lose the advantage as soon as they pull out from behind the car. Also the car being overtaken can not pull in behind the DRS car and gain the slipstream like. They did in the old days and immediately take the place back.
 
It let's them have a speed advantage for one straight, it does not and never will allow them to follow closer over all or even part of the lap. It is effective only for when DRS is engaged. Your example is a perfect one. The speed boost allows. Them to close the difference and nothing to do with dirty air anyway. For when the DRS is engaged. It does not allow them to then follow closely for the rest of the lap.
 
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I don't understand how mclaren get it so wrong, so often.

Everyone gets it wrong occasionally, it's part of the unpredictability. But they sure do seem to get it wrong more than their fair share. Is it because most other teams have people at the track and not stuck at a computer 2000 miles away.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Looks fine to me? :confused:
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No ground effect, but they are keeping DRS. Makes no sense at all. DRS is lame as shown in this race and ground effect would totally solve the real problem, making DRS totally redundant.

Even if you agree to DRS this season, I can't understand how you want to keep it, rather than solving the issue. Which those rules would do especially if they added ground effect in.
 
sunama said:
Things can change.

I still believe that Hamilton and Alonso can trouble Vettel as the season wears on. All they have to do is prevent Vettel from leading on lap 1. That's it. If they do this, Vettel is prevented from time trialling and (for whatever reason) is a shadow of his time-trialling self. We've seen this time and time again, most recently 3 weeks ago.

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Trouble is, the car is so much faster they can sacrifice race speed to gain advantage in qauli, as they are doing with DRS. This is brilliant tactic for RBR. But it doesn't look good for the rest of the field as it means unless they make a mistake, they can start from the front.
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
RBR really are opening a big gap in the championship already, and with all the drivers and teams behind taking points off each other they are in a great position now.
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Totally agrEe. Although the season isn't over by a long shot. Not only has Vettle put himself in the best position. Webber is helping him by not taking points away, and Ferrari have now caught up with mclaren, who are also fighting each other as well as Ferrari.
 
Well I agree they aren't totally caught up but certainly in that race they are now in the ball park.

As for strategy, other than a mess up or a bad pit, it's not really a game changer as they all have to do the same, due to the tyres. The early promise seems to of died as as they gather more data will die even more.
 
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