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Turmeric? Any good?

Turmeric is a spice. It makes stuff taste good. That's all. It's not a 'superfood', and has no special health-related qualities. Don't waste money on it.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/turmeric-tasty-in-curry-questionable-as-medicine
http://www.refinery29.com/2017/01/136647/turmeric-scientific-study-health-myth

You're dead wrong. Curcumin is one of the most potent polyphenolic detox/defense/repair gene expression activators IN VIVO. It helps regulate the immune system mostly through NRF2 pathway. There's hundreds of studies on it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=curcumin+nrf2

In vitro studies on polyphenols are largely useless because they work epigenetically, and a lot of them also need to be metabolized by the gut microbiome. They up-regulate production of endogenous good stuff. Not much different from how exercise, fasting works.
 
You're dead wrong. Curcumin is one of the most potent polyphenolic detox/defense/repair gene expression activators IN VIVO. It helps regulate the immune system mostly through NRF2 pathway. There's hundreds of studies on it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=curcumin+nrf2

There's hundreds of studies on curcumin, but none of them prove that it's anything special:

Earlier this week, researchers compiled the most comprehensive review of turmeric yet and found "no evidence it has any specific therapeutic benefits."

Published in the journal Nature, the data, which was collected from 120 clinical trials and "thousands of research papers," focused on curcumin, the main chemical component in turmeric.

After looking through what researchers called "muddled" research, they found no evidence that curcumin had any beneficial effects.

Michael Walters, PhD, a medicinal chemist at the University of Minnesota at Minneapolis and the lead author on the study, told Nature, "Curcumin is a cautionary tale."

That's because curcumin has misled some researchers by suggesting that it had some sort of therapeutic effect. That led to research exploring curcumin use in everything from treating asthma to erectile dysfunction.

(Source).

There is little reliable evidence to support the use of turmeric for any health condition because few clinical trials have been conducted.

Preliminary findings from animal and other laboratory studies suggest that a chemical found in turmeric—called curcumin—may have anti-inflammatory, anticancer, and antioxidant properties, but these findings have not been confirmed in people.

NCCAM-funded investigators have studied the active chemicals in turmeric and their effects—particularly anti-inflammatory effects—in human cells to better understand how turmeric might be used for health purposes. NCCAM is also funding basic research studies on the potential role of turmeric in preventing acute respiratory distress syndrome, liver cancer, and post-menopausal osteoporosis.

(Source).
 
It doesn't work, if it did the NHS would be prescribing it.

Unless of course you believe in conspiracies where the drugs companies, NHS and every major organization is lying to you.

Theres an idiot called Jamie Mantzel on Youtube that doesnt believe in modern medicine and said Tumeric and onion would cure an infection he got on his foot. Then after a month of no videos he said hes been out of action from a foot infection... I'd talk to a doctor before trying herbs and spices tbh.
 
There's hundreds of studies on curcumin, but none of them prove that it's anything special:

It's protective/preventative, it's not going to cure AIDS. Polyphenols work through preconditioning. They up-regulate stress tolerance genes. They are actually toxic and PRO-oxidant and produced by plants as anti-feedants, UV protectants, fungicides, etc. At the low dose humans eat it stimulates an over-compensation of protective gene expression and net increase of anti-oxidant status, cytoprotection, neuroprotection, tumor suppression.

It's definitely beneficial in that it helps regulate the immune system, improves anti-oxidant status, lowers the bad kind of inflammation, improves overall stress tolerance. It's not going to do anything your body cant already do though.
 
I used to put it in my cup of tea in an attempt to experience those anti-inflammatory properties. I can't say it worked but it definitely ruined my tea.
 
It doesn't work, if it did the NHS would be prescribing it.

Unless of course you believe in conspiracies where the drugs companies, NHS and every major organization is lying to you.

I believe it's not that simple. Obese people are costing the NHS insane amounts of money. Doctors aren't prescribing Salmon and Veg.

There's a lot of evidence that the illnesses I suffer from could be improved with certain foods and supplements, and I've seen drastic change by their inclusion. But it doesn't work for everyone and quantifying it is so damned difficult.

The NHS isn't in the business of prescribing supplements unless they have a low level limit they can quantify and measure, and demand is high enough for big pharma to produce it.

Getting VSL#3 can be like a fight to the death, and most IBD sufferers don't even know about it even though it's been clinically proven to help in some cases and is available on that NHS. My consultant never even mentioned it as a possibility even though I'm under surgical consult.
 
I believe it's not that simple. Obese people are costing the NHS insane amounts of money. Doctors aren't prescribing Salmon and Veg.

They don't need to prescribe it, plenty of GPs will however advise people to eat a balanced diet, will have leaflets about healthy eating etc.. in the waiting room and when registering for a GP practice the nurse will check things like your BMI, blood pressure etc.. ask about your lifestyle and advise on diet/exercise if appropriate. Not to mention that GPs are supposed to mention this stuff when patients are overweight or obese etc..
 
They don't need to prescribe it, plenty of GPs will however advise people to eat a balanced diet, will have leaflets about healthy eating etc.. in the waiting room and when registering for a GP practice the nurse will check things like your BMI, blood pressure etc.. ask about your lifestyle and advise on diet/exercise if appropriate. Not to mention that GPs are supposed to mention this stuff when patients are overweight or obese etc..

The NHS doesn't do nearly enough to help people with diet. Do you honestly believe enough is done to help the nation eat correctly?

It's well documented that omega 3 is good for you and that our omega 3 to 6 ratio is grossly disproportionate and that modern mass production requirements mean that meat and other foods lack omega 3. Most people would benefit from supplementing it, and again it's not prescribed.

While we're on it, choices like those being discussed are cumulative. More turmeric, more omega 3, foods high in anti-oxidants, whole rather than processed foods, regular exercise, plenty of water. It's the combination of many incremental, positive changes that can reap the benefits for a whole host of chronic inflammatory illnesses, reduce the risk of their development, and improve quality of life. Your doctor simply doesn't have the time to achieve this with every patient.

My point was to demonstrate that the amount of money in the NHS is finite, and so they must concentrate on the most definitive treatments for the the most serious illnesses. Just because it's not on the WHO critical medicines list, or isn't widely prescribed by doctors, doesn't mean it doesn't have some benefit, for some people.
 
Vitamin D deffeicencey is also extremely common yet no GP has ever mentioned it.
As well as that so called nutritional advice. Being poor. Let's spike people's insulin levels that are already to high. Yeah brilliant.
 
The NHS doesn't do nearly enough to help people with diet. Do you honestly believe enough is done to help the nation eat correctly?

but that is rather different, so long as there are obese people there is still an obesity problem to be solved and thus more that could perhaps be done - but your previous point was about prescribing healthy foods - GPs don't need to prescribe healthy foods they are however happy to give general healthy eating advice and really it isn't complicated for the majority of people it is just a case of eat your greens

when you start getting into supplements though with limited evidence then you're talking about a bit of a different ball game, most people don't really need supplements if they were to eat a balanced diet

as for turmeric, there is rather limited evidence, maybe there are some benefits, maybe not but it isn't really established (aside from in the minds of people who want to believe in supplements etc.. in general on the basis of whatever evidence they can cherry pick)

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If you're a healthy individual and eating two portions of fish a week anyway then you don't really need fish oil capsules... you'll better absorb the good stuff anyway from eating real food!
 
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I got some 500mg turmeric tablets a while ago, didn't take any though, just popped one now, will report back when cured of all alements!
 
I think you're rather missing my point. We aren't talking about healthy people, we're talking about sick people.

The whole point of this thread is whether or not supplementing your diet, which absolutely should be healthy and balanced first, can be beneficial to the unhealthy individual if other steps have failed to make a difference.

My statement regarding prescription of food, and supplements, was in argument against your statement that GPS don't prescribe it. My point was that they must prioritise proven medicines over supplementation because their time is finite, and medication has far more (big pharma funded) research behind it leaving the NHS with no choice. There is an epidemic of poor eating in this country and I genuinely can't get my head around the fact that you seem to think the NHS is doing even close to enough to prevent it.

The modern western diet lacks the nutrients it did even 50 years ago due to over farmed land, and quickly grown mass produced animal products, fed grain rather than grass and farmed rather than found free. When this is compounded by chronic inflammatory illness, there is evidence that exists that supplementation may work for some people. Which is what I've said many times. Evidence has already been linked to support this is the cas for turmeric.

As I have stated before, I have severe, systemic auto-immune disease that the NHS has struggled to manage for years, with surgery offered as the last resort to one of these conditions, and shrugged shoulders and crossed fingers for the others.

I was a personal trainer for years before I became ill, my diet was excellent and I lived a clean, active lifestyle; it wasn't enough.

Since becoming ill I have cycled so many oral and IV steroids that I can barely tolerate most of them, with beclametasone being one of the few whose side effects I can still bear. I've been trapped in this cycle for years, with the steroids weakening my bones to the point of Osteopenia, and no medical respite offered bar removing my entire colon and hoping my other inflammation can be managed without steroids (I am on immunomodulators and anti-intergrins also, anti-tnf didn't work).

By slowly trialling and integrating many supplements into my diet, proported for their anti-inflammatory and immuno modulating effects, coupled with specific dietary choices, specifically the consumption of turmeric, I have reached a point where my dose of steroids is almost negligible. I am close to complete IBD remission, my liver markers and cRP have diminished significantly and I haven't had an attack of pancreatitis in months.

I have never said supplementation is necessary, or works for everyone, or that it is easy, or that one pill will fix everything. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that for some people with chronic illness, the right combination of supplements can be utterly life changing, and even achieve what aggressive, damaging drugs cannot.
 
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There is an epidemic of poor eating in this country and I genuinely can't get my head around the fact that you seem to think the NHS is doing even close to enough to prevent it.

where have I said that? I've highlighted that GPs give healthy eating advice as you were asking about them prescribing healthy food

By slowly trialling and integrating many supplements into my diet, proported for their anti-inflammatory and immuno modulating effects, coupled with specific dietary choices, specifically the consumption of turmeric, I have reached a point where my dose of steroids is almost negligible. I am close to complete IBD remission, my liver markers and cRP have diminished significantly and I haven't had an attack of pancreatitis in months.

I have never said supplementation is necessary, or works for everyone, or that it is easy, or that one pill will fix everything. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that for some people with chronic illness, the right combination of supplements can be utterly life changing, and even achieve what aggressive, damaging drugs cannot.

that is a dubious claim
 
They don't need to prescribe it, plenty of GPs will however advise people to eat a balanced diet, will have leaflets about healthy eating etc.. in the waiting room and when registering for a GP practice the nurse will check things like your BMI, blood pressure etc.. ask about your lifestyle and advise on diet/exercise if appropriate. Not to mention that GPs are supposed to mention this stuff when patients are overweight or obese etc..

This post alone suggests that you seem to think a lot is being done. It really isn't, NHS support on healthy eating is very poor and you seem to think it's excellent.

If I have misunderstood you on this point I apologise, and I'm genuinely glad we can agree that nutritional support from the NHS is poor and there should be significantly more work done to prescribe diet.

that is a dubious claim

Dowie, I don't get you mate. Im not being passive-aggressive when I ask this, but did you read my post, specifically about my experience and Illness?

Perhaps you think I'm lying, or delusional, but I assure you I'm not.

Supplements are offered on the NHS, and not just for deficiencies. VSL#3 is one that springs to mind; evidence for its efficacy is hit and miss, and there is no test you can take to prove it is required. Like many supplements it's a case of experimenting, and ascertaining if it has a positive impact. And for many people, it does.
 
This post alone suggests that you seem to think a lot is being done. It really isn't, NHS support on healthy eating is very poor and you seem to think it's excellent.

you questioned prescribing healthy food, I pointed out that it didn't need to be prescribed as GPs can give healthy eating advice when required... that is all. You're then projecting what you believe are my views relating to other things - you've actually asked me already in this thread whether I think enough is being done re: obesity and I've already answered. I also don't think it is entirely down to GPs/the NHS for that matter - perhaps things like increased sugar taxes, advertising junk food to kids etc.. sugary drinks sold in schools etc.. need work.

Dowie, I don't get you mate. Im not being passive-aggressive when I ask this, but did you read my post, specifically about my experience and Illness?

yes

Perhaps you think I'm lying, or delusional, but I assure you I'm not.

I never said you were lying, you don't seem to understand though why claims of "it worked for me" are dubious. You don't actually know that whatever supplements you took are the reason for your symptoms getting better.

Someone could well claim that homeopathy worked for them, I wouldn't believe them to be lying, I can believe that they honestly believe that it did work for them. The claim is still a dubious one without evidence.
 
That's pretty outdated diet advice. It's just the FDA food pyramid turned in to a pie chart. The FDA is re-evaluating it's advice on fats and cholesterol. It's refined carbohydrates and high PUFA vegetable oils that damage people the most.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...eat-low-fat-diet-is-wrong-says-health-charity

Delete everything yellow except potatoes and porridge (borderline because it hinders mineral absorbtion). Keep weetabix because i like weetabix. Add sweet potatoes.
Delete oil and spreads and replace with coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil and grass fed butter or ghee.
Add avocados, leafy greens, and more berries to green.
Change milk and yogurt to full fat.
Change meat to full fat and add organ meat.
Add a new group: dark chocolate, coffee, spices, proper peppers, herbs, every kind of tea, garlic, ginger, red wine.


 
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New one today from UCLA https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180123101908.htm

Interesting to note they only got 180mg a day compared to the studies in the naysayer article posted where subjects were getting 2-8 GRAMS. The dose is really important because these type of Nrf2 activating chemicals have a biphasic dose response. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2014.00120/full

"The double-blind, placebo-controlled study involved 40 adults between the ages of 50 and 90 years who had mild memory complaints. Participants were randomly assigned to receive either a placebo or 90 milligrams of curcumin twice daily for 18 months.

All 40 subjects received standardized cognitive assessments at the start of the study and at six-month intervals, and monitoring of curcumin levels in their blood at the start of the study and after 18 months. Thirty of the volunteers underwent positron emission tomography, or PET scans, to determine the levels of amyloid and tau in their brains at the start of the study and after 18 months.

The people who took curcumin experienced significant improvements in their memory and attention abilities, while the subjects who received placebo did not, Small said. In memory tests, the people taking curcumin improved by 28 percent over the 18 months. Those taking curcumin also had mild improvements in mood, and their brain PET scans showed significantly less amyloid and tau signals in the amygdala and hypothalamus than those who took placebos."
 
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