Turn UAC off?

[Woody...!!!]

Just a thought...

why does vista not except that you are running 3rd party software, throw up a prompt to ask you if its ok (yes i know UAC) but at the same time remember that you have allowed your operating system to use the proggy and not prompt you again.

its good to have protection, but it needs a prompt every time you need to use a 3rd party proggy

 

[ukbrainstew]

Why not use TweakUAC.

Thanks for this, whilst I'm all for UAC in principle, the default implementation was just far too distracting, this is a fine compromise.

 

[Dolph]

Just a thought...

why does vista not except that you are running 3rd party software, throw up a prompt to ask you if its ok (yes i know UAC) but at the same time remember that you have allowed your operating system to use the proggy and not prompt you again.

its good to have protection, but it needs a prompt every time you need to use a 3rd party proggy

Because the program doesn't follow the programming conventions, and therefore is asking for write access to somewhere it probably shouldn't be (eg program files, windows directory etc), or in ways they should be (eg direct reference rather than working with the variables and redirection). There are a few exceptions, such as disk management tools, that require that level of access to work, but those are much rarer.

Having remembered process elevation would create a massive security hole. The data would have to be stored somewhere, and therefore could be accessed by malicious processes. They could then piggyback on to an automatically elevated program to gain access to the OS layer without you realising.

This is the reason why individual processes are elevated in UAC, rather than throwing the whole system into admin mode as Sudo does.

 

[Final8y]

What added benefit does UAC gives the majority of users on this foru, people who know what they are doing with their systems, the very same people who had zero problems with XP which doesn't have UAC.

I only see the negative side in this regard and that is a popup asking you for permission every time you want to make a change or use a core application that tags with the system.

Like I said in another UAC thread ages ago.

Home user/Family machine = fine with UAC.
Power user = Never needed it before, why need it now...it's an annoyance and will always be turned off.

I still have yet to hear of a single incident of a person's machine being compromised after turning off UAC. That says how useful it is...

There have been threads here where people have been infected after turning off UAC.
And so far its only been people who have UAC off who have become infected silently as the AV software let it through & no UAC to warn them that something wants elevation .

 

[Woody...!!!]

Because the program doesn't follow the programming conventions, and therefore is asking for write access to somewhere it probably shouldn't be (eg program files, windows directory etc), or in ways they should be (eg direct reference rather than working with the variables and redirection). There are a few exceptions, such as disk management tools, that require that level of access to work, but those are much rarer.

Having remembered process elevation would create a massive security hole. The data would have to be stored somewhere, and therefore could be accessed by malicious processes. They could then piggyback on to an automatically elevated program to gain access to the OS layer without you realising.

This is the reason why individual processes are elevated in UAC, rather than throwing the whole system into admin mode as Sudo does.

thanks for the reply, i see what you mean, BUT, UAC is annoying lol

 

[Final8y]

thanks for the reply, i see what you mean, BUT, UAC is annoying lol

And that is 99% the real reason why some people turn UAC off in the first place & then convince them selfs & others that its not needed & thinking all it does is make popups.

 

[Trifid]

Think yourself lucky, Linux requires you to enter a password all the time, at least you only need to click accept on Vista…

Everyday programs are built correctly so the only time you really need to enter it is when doing major system changes. It rarely gets in the way as it does with poorly made 3rd party applications.

 

[gillywibble]

First thing I did was turn the stupid thing off.