turning off keyless start on volvo xc90

Dangerous Dave said:
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Lol at how easy that is to take! What is it a 30kish 5 series? I’ve seen plenty of articles in the papers lately of X5’s, Range Rovers etc being taken in the exact same way. Think one had the keys in the kitchen at the rear of the house yet the signal was still picked up on the driveway by the device they use which can apparently be purchased for around £100.
You even hear of them being taken in public car parks etc it’s crazy.
Can’t believe car manufacturers are still not finding a solution to the problem.
 
Yea it is a big problem. We have gone from a point where cars became near impossible to steal without the physical coded key, to being remotely hackable. Nothing wireless is secure, especially when it's always broadcasting.

It's possible to turn off the "keyless" system on some cars (maybe most). But you would have to use the emergency procedure to start it every single time.

You can prevent people using a signal booster to open and start the car by simply storing the keys in a tin. But the other issue is on many European cars you can break the drivers side window and reach the OBD2 port without even setting the alarm off. But you can disable the OBD2 port by pulling the fuse out.
 
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jonessa said:
There's a service being offered now where you can have a "passcode" build into the startup sequence.

The driver has to enter a combination of inputs from the dashboard before the car will start. Can't remember what it's called?

You could also buy a OBD socket lock?
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One system is called Autowatch Ghost, I wouldn't fit it to my car as if someone breaks into the house to get the keys they are likely to come back in when it doesn't start. My family are more important than a car I just leave the keys near the door and have GAP insurance.
 
see not the only one with the problem here.

it an absolute joke that the manufacturers have not come up with a plan to stop these thieves getting their hands on these cars.
 
Had keyless on my cars since 2008, never had one stolen however I have had several stolen that use a key. Fact is the majority of cars are still being stolen by having the keys as they have more value them. With keyless once stop/start has kicked in they have to have the technology available to restart it again as any keyless will detect the keys are outside the car and will require a manual restart. The media are just making us paranoid, next they'll be banging on about how stupid the manufacturers are to make the windows out of glass ;-) I also think advertising how it is done is completely irresponsible. Just get GAP insurance and sleep easy, until they come for your keys that is, after all it is only a car...
 
jonessa said:
There's a service being offered now where you can have a "passcode" build into the startup sequence.

The driver has to enter a combination of inputs from the dashboard before the car will start. Can't remember what it's called?

You could also buy a OBD socket lock?
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That's a bit like the passcode that some American cars in the 90s had in order to gain entry to the car. :)
 
Dangerous Dave said:
One system is called Autowatch Ghost, I wouldn't fit it to my car as if someone breaks into the house to get the keys they are likely to come back in when it doesn't start. My family are more important than a car I just leave the keys near the door and have GAP insurance.
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That's the one.

I also agree with your sentiment - I was merely drawing attention to the system; not necessarily recommending it.
 
Joe T said:
That's a bit like the passcode that some American cars in the 90s had in order to gain entry to the car. :)
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What do you mean in the 90s? Ford still make cars with those on. My mother in law got a brand new Escape earlier this year and it has the code on the door. :p
 
chriscatt said:
With keyless once stop/start has kicked in they have to have the technology available to restart it again as any keyless will detect the keys are outside the car and will require a manual restart.
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There are instances where people sit in the car and program their own key before driving off.
 
It's insured right? Just get another one. It's not like they are a rare, classic car that's irreplaceable, it's a mass produced SUV thing.
 
chriscatt said:
Had keyless on my cars since 2008, never had one stolen however I have had several stolen that use a key. Fact is the majority of cars are still being stolen by having the keys as they have more value them. With keyless once stop/start has kicked in they have to have the technology available to restart it again as any keyless will detect the keys are outside the car and will require a manual restart. The media are just making us paranoid, next they'll be banging on about how stupid the manufacturers are to make the windows out of glass ;-) I also think advertising how it is done is completely irresponsible. Just get GAP insurance and sleep easy, until they come for your keys that is, after all it is only a car...
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The EU demanded manufacturers make the ECU easy to access with generic tools. So now they are easy to hack and create new keys in seconds. But the new trend is to simply boost the signal from the key fob, which is stupidly always transmitting on keyless systems. Then they can drive off in it and make a new key later or strip it for parts.

Dangerous Dave said:
One system is called Autowatch Ghost, I wouldn't fit it to my car as if someone breaks into the house to get the keys they are likely to come back in when it doesn't start. My family are more important than a car I just leave the keys near the door and have GAP insurance.
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But making it easy for them is just going to encourage them to rob more people. If every car they tried to steal was a failed attempt, they wouldn't bother :/
 
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Well, since the actual button is just a switch, I'm sure any auto electrician, or even diy'er could just wire another 'hidden' toggle switch in series with it..

That is what I would do if I thought the Mrs Xtrail was popular enough to warrant stealing, although since she'd forget to use the second switch, a simple latched circuit that resets on ignition off should be easy to do..

I still love the convenience of keyless, but don't deny its a bit too easy to fool.
 
Just don't worry about something that will likely never happen. If someone wants to steal your car, they will likely do it whether it has keyless entry or not.

Just enjoy the pure joy that is keyless entry and start.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Surely at that point you might as well just go back to a standard key?
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Well I meant it would be automatic - not something you have to enter manually. I'm sure it could be done.

So you have static code + static code (key) that's sent out every time and a random key generated that can't be cloned.
 
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