+1. EA need to ditch that origin crap too and use steam instead.
Ubisoft Wants to "Improve" Its Relationship With PC Community.
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+1. EA need to ditch that origin crap too and use steam instead.
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Basically everyone should be forced to use Steam. Thats definately the correct way forward!
They're telling the PC gaming community they want better relations; however they didn't tell the PC gaming they're ditching all DRM not only on upcoming titles but patching it out of all previous titles.
Words without actions suck donkey boner.
Luckily Ubisoft games suck all bar 1-2 so I can and have avoided them quite easily... EA however are just downright annoying as I can't not buy half of their games
Words without actions suck donkey boner.
Luckily Ubisoft games suck all bar 1-2 so I can and have avoided them quite easily... EA however are just downright annoying as I can't not buy half of their games
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Steam support and distribution, no DRM.
Valve likes its slice of the cake, though. They need to make it more competitive so we stop getting crap like Origin and whatever else.
Valve likes its slice of the cake, though. They need to make it more competitive so we stop getting crap like Origin and whatever else.
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Yea good luck with that!
If everyone starts using Steam as their platform (as nice as that'd be) I think we'd see PC game prices rise, as Valve take I think 30% of each sale? That's a tenner for every £30 title. Console games are £40 brand new because there is a £10 licence fee to Sony/Microsoft, if Steam become the sole distribution platform a lot of developers will twig on and charge £40 IMO to negate the £10 loss and keep a £30 profit like they earn on the consoles.
It might go that way, but it wouldn't have to and they'd be lying if they claimed that was the reason for the increase.
The cost of digital distribution is far lower than the cost of physical distribution even if you're paying Valve to handle the digital distribution for you. As a rough guide, the profit per sale using a 3rd-party digital distribution system is ~3 times the profit per sale using physical media and the profit per sale using your own digital distribution is ~4 times. Even if Valve was gouging devs horribly, the devs would still be looking at ~2x the profit per sale compared with physical sales. But digital copies are the same price as physical copies - it's the customer who's being gouged by the digital distribution pricing, not the devs.
That is weirdly good news, glad we'll still get cheap games, never knew about us being ripped off even at £30 though! Don't even know what to think anymore.
Whilst the 30% bit is true, the games company get 70% which is much more than the retail channel version, which after all costs, must be at best 30% for the games company. so they see a much bigger cut for less work if they use steam.
So in short games will not go up if everything was on steam, in fact if that was the only way to get games on PC, you could see a drop as games companys would have to make there game look a better offer to grab your retail pounds, we are already seeing this more with steam, just look at this copies sold means extra stuff is unlocked for the game, i think there are 3 games with this right now (RE6, Bio Shock 3 & Tomb Raider) this is becoming more common.
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That is weirdly good news, glad we'll still get cheap games, never knew about us being ripped off even at £30 though! Don't even know what to think anymore.
It's surprising how many people don't realise it.
A physical copy has these costs as an absolute minimum even if the supply chain is perfectly optimised to reduce the amount of stuff being moved around as much as possible:
The disc.
The box.
The cover.
The cost of moving each of those items to the place that makes the boxed game.
Pressing the game into the disc.
Printing the cover.
Putting the disc and the cover in the box.
Transporting the boxed game to the shop or warehouse. This cost is greatly increased by the fact that you need to supply thousands of shops and warehouses.
On top of that, some or all of the following will apply. It's possible for the publisher to own some of this chain, which would remove the need for seperate profits for each link in the chain (but not the actual costs of doing it, above).
Profit for the manufacturer of the disc.
Profit for the manufacturer of the box.
Profit for the manufacturer of the cover.
Profit for the transport company that moves those items to the companies that process them.
Profit for the printer of the cover.
Profit for the company that presses the game onto the disc.
Profit for the company that combines the parts to make the boxed game.
Profit for the transport company that takes the boxed games to the numerous shops and warehouses.
It's also worth emphasising that every one of those costs applies whether or not a copy is sold. So you're either going to lose sales because there wasn't enough stock to meet demand or you're going to have to eat the costs whole, without getting any money at all, for unsold copies. In fact, you'll almost certainly get hit both ways because of the large number of sales points - you're going to have too many copies in some and not enough in others.
Then there's the final cost - the money for the company selling the game. Which, of course, includes all of their costs as well as whatever profit they can make off the sale.
In comparison, digital distribution costs are tiny and they are always perfectly matched to the number of sales.
The horse is so long gone its now part of a Tesco ready meal.
Same here. AC3 d/loaded and installed without any problems, as have all my other games. Can`t say I have any problems with Origin either. Steam I can`t comment on, as I have only been using it for a couple of months.
Uplayaba decent piece of kit now in my opinion, if they can continue to work on release parity and improved launch support that'll be good for them too. Far Cry 3 was a much better PC release compared to FC2 so that for me shows evidence they do want to improve. And at least they recognise they have an image problem.
