UEFA Champions League/Europa League 1/2/3 April *** Spoilers ***

If it's net spend for this season then it goes like this I believe -

Man. C.
Man. U.
Chelsea
Cardiff
Southampton
Hull
etc..

If it's gross spend then it's -

Chelsea
Spurs
Man. C.
Man. U.
Liverpool
Arsenal
etc..

Net spend doesn't count for too much this season it seems.
 
He's included in the spending figures yes, so is van Ginkel who's been out all season @£8m and a couple of others who have gone on loan at around £5m.
 
Regardless of what Chelsea spent or who the bookies made favourites, I'm not sure there's too many people that will claim that Chelsea have got anything less than the 2nd strongest squad in the League. If you're looking at all the squads in the league in isolation, Chelsea should be competing for the title, there's no two ways about it and I'm sure Mourinho knows that deep down.

Mourinho's comments are interesting though and I don't think they're either entirely bs/mind games or him being honest.

There's definitely an element of truth in his comments about the state of this squad. While it's a very strong squad, I think it's clear that it's not a Mourinho squad. They don't have the pace and power in attack that he likes nor (pre Matic) the control in midfield. You only have to look at the way Chelsea started this season and how they're playing now (and the addition of Matic of course) to see that Mourinho's started shaping this squad into a more Mourinho squad and way of playing. Next season once Mourinho's added more control to the midfield and more pace in attack he'll be far happier.

That said, I have no doubt that there's also a huge element of mind games and subtle messages to Chelsea's board too.

If Liverpool finish above Chelsea it makes Mourinho look bad so he's banged on about us not being in Europe for months to play down any achievement before it happens. It's no different to his comments about Barca prior to their game against City - had City won then it was because this is a terrible Barca side and not because Pellegrini done something he couldn't do at Real.

And coming back to the make up of the squad and style of play. There were leaks coming out even before Mourinho got the job that he didn't want Mata or Luiz but for whatever reason (either RA or the fans) they weren't immediately shipped out. Mourinho slowly convinced everybody that Mata's useless and worked a situation where by he could move him on and it won't be a surprise if the same happens to Luiz in the summer.
 
Regardless of what Chelsea spent or who the bookies made favourites, I'm not sure there's too many people that will claim that Chelsea have got anything less than the 2nd strongest squad in the League. If you're looking at all the squads in the league in isolation, Chelsea should be competing for the title, there's no two ways about it and I'm sure Mourinho knows that deep down.

Mourinho's comments are interesting though and I don't think they're either entirely bs/mind games or him being honest.

There's definitely an element of truth in his comments about the state of this squad. While it's a very strong squad, I think it's clear that it's not a Mourinho squad. They don't have the pace and power in attack that he likes nor (pre Matic) the control in midfield. You only have to look at the way Chelsea started this season and how they're playing now (and the addition of Matic of course) to see that Mourinho's started shaping this squad into a more Mourinho squad and way of playing. Next season once Mourinho's added more control to the midfield and more pace in attack he'll be far happier.

That said, I have no doubt that there's also a huge element of mind games and subtle messages to Chelsea's board too.

If Liverpool finish above Chelsea it makes Mourinho look bad so he's banged on about us not being in Europe for months to play down any achievement before it happens. It's no different to his comments about Barca prior to their game against City - had City won then it was because this is a terrible Barca side and not because Pellegrini done something he couldn't do at Real.

And coming back to the make up of the squad and style of play. There were leaks coming out even before Mourinho got the job that he didn't want Mata or Luiz but for whatever reason (either RA or the fans) they weren't immediately shipped out. Mourinho slowly convinced everybody that Mata's useless and worked a situation where by he could move him on and it won't be a surprise if the same happens to Luiz in the summer.

Your well thought out and expressed insight & opinions may have credence but I think you're avoiding the main factor that Chelsea have spent the most money over a selected period so they must be favourites this season even though they were miles off the pace last season. On field matters don't count for nuffink, it's all about the money spent.
 
Regardless of what Chelsea spent or who the bookies made favourites, I'm not sure there's too many people that will claim that Chelsea have got anything less than the 2nd strongest squad in the League. If you're looking at all the squads in the league in isolation, Chelsea should be competing for the title, there's no two ways about it and I'm sure Mourinho knows that deep down.

Mourinho's comments are interesting though and I don't think they're either entirely bs/mind games or him being honest.

There's definitely an element of truth in his comments about the state of this squad. While it's a very strong squad, I think it's clear that it's not a Mourinho squad. They don't have the pace and power in attack that he likes nor (pre Matic) the control in midfield. You only have to look at the way Chelsea started this season and how they're playing now (and the addition of Matic of course) to see that Mourinho's started shaping this squad into a more Mourinho squad and way of playing. Next season once Mourinho's added more control to the midfield and more pace in attack he'll be far happier.

That said, I have no doubt that there's also a huge element of mind games and subtle messages to Chelsea's board too.

If Liverpool finish above Chelsea it makes Mourinho look bad so he's banged on about us not being in Europe for months to play down any achievement before it happens. It's no different to his comments about Barca prior to their game against City - had City won then it was because this is a terrible Barca side and not because Pellegrini done something he couldn't do at Real.

And coming back to the make up of the squad and style of play. There were leaks coming out even before Mourinho got the job that he didn't want Mata or Luiz but for whatever reason (either RA or the fans) they weren't immediately shipped out. Mourinho slowly convinced everybody that Mata's useless and worked a situation where by he could move him on and it won't be a surprise if the same happens to Luiz in the summer.

I think this is fair. We signed some great players, but it's interesting how our two best players when we went through "transition" in 2012 and 2013 are now potentially making way for a better overall "team"

I think we've arguably lined up a replacement for Terry with Cahill. Infact, defence is looking good now. We've never been able to be as strong with two CBs since carvalho/terry, but atleast we've sorted the RB position out. We now need figures to replace the likes of Drogba and Lampard. Hazard could be one, but its odd how there is talk of him being purchased when you'd never hear that about Dorgba or Lampard.

Courtois could replace Cech, but that's becoming a tough situation now for how we time it. I guess at the end of the day if we'd replaced Drogba by now we'd have the league pretty much wrapped up, or atleast be a more convincing team. Right now we're very hit and miss.
 
wonders why yur only looking at this season's transfers - ignoring the last two seasons of very high chelsea spendiing perhaps while Man Utd did virtually nothing in comparison lol
 
Regardless of the nonsense people believe about money spending, high money spend should get you in the ballpark to compete every year, doesn't mean you will win every year nor that you are favourites. Most teams with a new manager will be better in the second year(a good manager that is) than the first. Teams take time to adjust, no matter how competitive they were or weren't the year before.

I fully expected City and Chelsea to improve with better managers, and they have. Neither team is in precisely the same situation, City have had more problems with Kompany and Aguero this year. Chelsea have been much better overall, and a lot of their bigger spending has been on younger players like Hazard/Oscar, rather than buying 24-30 year old players which in general gets your a more finished product and often players who will settle more quickly simply by being more mature and experienced players.

Liverpool with a new manager and players didn't do at all well last year. But a year on with a team more gelled together, with more idea of the manager's intentions and the difference is night and day.

One of the only times money + new manager has meant instant success was with mourinho, but this was a Chelsea team that went 6th 4th 2nd then 1st with mourinho in his first year. It was a team that was only kept from winning the previous year by an unbeaten Arsenal, that had been growing for several years and had improved drastically the year before. I have no doubt at all that Ranieri would have won the title that year, or any decent manager taking over.

City, PSG, Chelsea, Liverpool, basically every team takes a little adjustment, takes some time to make changes and were significantly improved in the second/third years under a new manager. Should Chelsea be close and in the running, yes, and they are where they weren't in the previous couple of years. That is a huge improvement already, should they be favourites because of spending? No not really. Chelsea have been replacing older players with youngsters in general, Utd will have the same thing happening and will likely outspent most teams over the next 2-3 years as they replace a bunch of players leaving and likely with younger players who can be there for the next decade. That means expensive and expect a few years before the team becomes really great again.
 
bayern lost their league game at least :p

quite a few stars rested by all accounts and a lot of headlines this morning saying they have a few more injuries from that game........not that those players were likely to play against Utd but it makes for a good headline lol
 
Surely Lukaku will get a look in at Chelsea next season? He's a ready-made modern Drogba and he's already on their books. Pace, power, good in the air, good finisher, makes his own chances, scores goals, makes goals, still young and improving...
 
Surely Lukaku will get a look in at Chelsea next season? He's a ready-made modern Drogba and he's already on their books. Pace, power, good in the air, good finisher, makes his own chances, scores goals, makes goals, still young and improving...

Inconsistent, not as good as Drogba and yet to really really shine.

Saying that, I still think hes a really good player and should've played this season ahead of all the tut we kept on.
 
There were more than a few games where Lukaku was ineffective. He's still only 20, and while loads of potential for the future if he keeps getting better he isn't there yet. There is a reason 24-28yr olds sell for a lot more than 20 year olds, consistency. Chelsea need a Lukaku for the future but while certainly better than Torres, he wouldn't offer what a Costa/Falcao/Ibra could right now, which is consistency, that extra bit of class and experience.

Ultimately if Chelsea had a 30 goal a season striker they'd be walking the league this year, but the 30 goal a season targets weren't available. It doesn't make much financial sense to risk titles/champs league runs on a 20 year old inconsistent yet potentially great player when you can almost assure it on a 25-30year old consistent and great striker.

the question is will Chelsea be happy to keep loaning Lukaku out till he gets a couple more years and some more consistency in his game, will Lukaku be happy with that. Financially they might get 20mil for Lukaku this summer or see him leave at the end of his contract on a free even if they intend for him to be a starter in the future.

This year they were going to loan Ba out but Lukaku insisted on leaving, but when you see how often Ba is actually used you can see why.

If Everton can get champs league it would be great to see them buy him. if they sold him to Everton for say 15mil, less than he's worth, but with a clause in that says they get a buy back option then Chelsea would effectively have the option to bring him back as a first team player till he's 25 or so with that. If Lukaku just walks in 2 years, then Chelsea have no option to exert over him, so selling him to the right club with the right clause could actually give them a longer option on if they really want to keep him. By 25 you would pretty much know how good he'll be, brilliant or not so brilliant.

It makes sense to sell him to someone like Everton this summer, with the option to get him back if he turns out great, while bringing in the experienced name you need now this summer.
 
Inconsistent, not as good as Drogba and yet to really really shine.

Saying that, I still think hes a really good player and should've played this season ahead of all the tut we kept on.

No-one in the prem is as good as drogba, but drogba wasn't at Lukaku's age either and he's the closest there is.
 
No-one in the prem is as good as drogba, but drogba wasn't at Lukaku's age either and he's the closest there is.

True, i was about to argue a bought player is more guarantee'd, but errrr...we can't really say that anymore.

Mind you, I'm a bit of an odd fan because i'd rather see Mcceachran, Piazon, kakuta, kalas, toure and chalaboh get a chance rather than we sign more people.

I think any of those players would be bled into the team if at l'pool so it'd be good to see at Chelsea, though won't happen under mourinho.
 
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