Poll: UK Gun Laws

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Epsom College head called relative before she was shot by husband

Police recover a firearm owned by George Pattison who officers believe killed his wife and daughter.

www.bbc.co.uk

The head teacher of Epsom College was shot dead by her husband, before he killed their daughter and took his own life with the same gun, police believe.

I'm sure this isn't the first case here where similar has happened.


Is there a case to be made for the removal of all guns from civilians?

Or perhaps if I word it another way, is there a legitimate case for a civilian to own a gun?

I can't see any argument that couldn't be resolved by a professional services who undergo tight control and yearly vetting etc.


Is there a case for guns to remain accessible to civilians?

 

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1.Probably
2.No
3.Yes
4.Vetting is quite tight already
5.Yes

Care to expand?

 

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As a gun owner, yes there is a legitimate case for me to own them.

Because?

 

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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1116230/Firearms_guide_November_2022.pdf

So no, you don't have a reason.

What are guns used for?

How does that relate to a civilians need for one?

 

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Yes, they are the allowed reasons for civilians having one. I could go out and kill more people in my car quicker than my shotgun. Ban cars just in case.

Please enlighten me on the need of these "allowed reasons" that couldn't be replaced by a professional, tightly controlled and vetted, service.

 

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Calm down buddy. I definitely know you shouldn't be allowed one

 

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So it's basically just for fun then?

 

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Well there is a quite obvious reason for needing one (and it's not for fun), I'm sure I don't need to spell it out unless you really are that stupid or just looking for an argument.

Yes I could use a 'professional' as you term it (also a civilian I would have thought) but by the time they arrived it would be to late in a lot of situations.

What's with the vagueness? Struggling?

 

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That is a perfectly fine reason to own anything. Give me a perfectly good reason that alcohol or tobacco should be legal

Is it though? You're comparing completely different things. Have another think then get back to me.

 

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Thanks all for your viewpoints on this, I know it's a delicate subject for some when the legitimacy of something you enjoy is threatened, but I'm glad the thread has stayed respectful which is nice


Regarding the reasons given, I'm yet to see one that couldn't be replaced by a professional service. This not only would enable facilitation of localised controls, but also introduce limitations in volume.

 

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Yep.

 

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And farmers shouldn’t be allowed guns either?

I guess that would depend on if they become part of any professional service or not, but generally... yep.

A delicate subject for most people if something they enjoy is threatened - I tend to find people are always so glib and quick to resort to logic when it isn't something they take part in, and the first to start crying when it is something which they do.

Good thing I simply transcend to objectivity, then

 

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farmers, for me, would be up for debate, but they the minimum is they need tighter regulations.

Until the farmer's requirements for ownership are negated by the implementation of a/multiple professional service(s)

 

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Completely impractical in some farming circumstances, there are genuine times when a farmer needs far quicker access to a firearm than any professional service can provide. (Though technically a professional service same for some animal rescue type organisations who have firearms for humane reasons).

Not entirely, I'm sure there is a way it could work if enough resources are utilised.

Which would have to be free and bloody quick

Potentially.

 

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I think you are just being difficult here for the sake of it.

Not at all. We have emergency plumbers, emergency car recovery, emergency you name it... so why would this not be feasible?

 

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Please do. They could all drive pick-ups

 

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Unfortunately, I take that as you're unable to.

Very quick to dismiss, but when you put some thought to it you can see how it could be implemented. Only real issue is cost.

 

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Helpful...

 

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The issue isn't at all about cost.

Please expand, you haven't said much more than 'nuh-uh'.

 

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I work with out of ours emergency contractors every night, they are not fast they will often be hours away from any site, they will always arrive and get the work done but its not a simple case of you make the call and they are there within the hour unless they are close by. They will often be attending all throughout the night to various places across their designated regions.

This wont work in a situation where you need immediate response on site with fire arms. Its too slow to deal with the sort of issues people have to deal with on farms and large conservation areas. Add in the additional requirement to be carrying firearms in a vehicle which will need to be designed to store them safely and it just wont work.

Different industries have different priorities and can all be managed in a useful way.