UK soldiers to face prosecution for war crimes
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Thanks, you saved 2 minutes of my life for something more useful like scratching my backside then.
I know who the Celts were. They don't exist anymore.
When I lived in the UK I never ceased to be amused by the number of Welsh, Irish, Scots, and Cornish who claimed to be 'Celtic.' There was no clear definition of 'Celtic'; they just made it up as they went along. The only consistent rule was that English people aren't allowed to claim they're Celtic. For everyone else it's fair game.
Hilarious stuff on one level, but it left me despairing about the state of the education system over there.
Was it only the Celtic bit that made you question the education standards?
It wasn't the only part, but it was certainly a standout.
I agree with every word, Its like all people some will do what they like and assume they are above the law because of the colour they wear, if they have committed a crime they should do the time, they should not be protected just because they wear the right uniform or politics.
If they have done nothing wrong they should have nothing to worry about.
We are not looking for your view but the view of international law.
I think this war has been a big problem from day one and we are still facing the backlash, Nothing has ever been done correct the mistakes we made when we started this war.
Most of the currant wars and the crimes commuted by the richer countries have been ignored and that needs to change if and with that maybe things will change for the better
It's should be the same for every person anywhere on earth If you have commuted crimes especially in a war you should not be protected by your stripes or Gov you need to be made into a statement.
If you are sent to protect us you should not be committing any crime.
We need to start by showing the world, We dont want to make it simple for terrorist recruiting because of crimes committed, If people think they have had these crimes committed against them and they are ignored and treated badly by people that should protect them what do you think will happen.
Look at any war from the last 30 years and you can see
Likely but I hope not, I hope every war crime is dealt with, In my option a war crime is one of the worst crimes, unlike WW2 most other crimes have not been dealt with and should have been long ago.
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So a sniper shooting a man firing an rpg at his base is a war crime to you?
Because he didnt say "oi I'm gonna shoot you now first"
Well except for killing people right?
Out of curiosity drone operator fires his missile at the car he's told to carrying the enemy.
We later find out the car was also varrying the enemy comander wife and child.
Ahould the drone operator be going to court for war crimes or murder?
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Before I reply.
I stick by what i said, no one is above the law even if you have a country protecting you and thats my view you can like it or hate it, if its proven you have committed a crime it should be the same for everyone, you should not be free to do what you want just because your protected.
You may care more about the military but I don't, they are too many people and countries already that believe themselves above international law.
I feel just because you have military power, funds and powerfully Gov does not mean a crime should be covered up.
If it was a military member from a different country and crimes against people from UK would you feel the same?
Now a question
Out of curiosity drone operator fires his missiles at area which is a terrorist camp, We later find out the that it was a village and innocent villager men, women, children.
Would you not want it going to court for war crimes or murder?
I know its easy for a lot of people to think of killing as a part of war and not thinking of the life's you affect, but murder, rape and theft is not a part of war.
If we going to another country we are invading them, killing them not the other way around, so crimes should be dealt with.
Here is another question for, would you send want to send a large military to ireland to deal with IRA If we had a blast to a building in london.
at the same time you know what would happen to ireland and all the people, would you feel the same about everything.
It easy to dehumanize things but we should not.
We the UK have done a lot of bad things over the year all over the world, started wars because we could or to gain a something of benefit, not dealt with wars and issues because it was not a benefit to us.
We the UK are a world leader and have been for a very long time, its not just because of the our military because others have better, we are a county other wish they could aim to be, people from around the world which the country they lived in was the UK That's why.
What annoys me is when people hear a soldier is going to court for a war crime and are up in arms, why is this happening to one of our soldier without thinking, if he did nothing he has nothing to worry about and if he did the crime he will still be treated much better then how most people all over the world live.
99% of the time war crime committed by powerful countries to weak countries and people never comes to light or never dealt with.
I stick by what i said, no one is above the law even if you have a country protecting you and thats my view you can like it or hate it, if its proven you have committed a crime it should be the same for everyone, you should not be free to do what you want just because your protected.
You may care more about the military but I don't, they are too many people and countries already that believe themselves above international law.
I feel just because you have military power, funds and powerfully Gov does not mean a crime should be covered up.
If it was a military member from a different country and crimes against people from UK would you feel the same?
In my option No I dont think it is, unless he does not shoot the right person but instead shoots a child.
Only in combat, i mean real combat if someone is firing at you, not just because your station there and not just because you felt like it.
I would say it should be investigated, the research should be done before you use something as awful as a drone.
Now a question
Out of curiosity drone operator fires his missiles at area which is a terrorist camp, We later find out the that it was a village and innocent villager men, women, children.
Would you not want it going to court for war crimes or murder?
I know its easy for a lot of people to think of killing as a part of war and not thinking of the life's you affect, but murder, rape and theft is not a part of war.
If we going to another country we are invading them, killing them not the other way around, so crimes should be dealt with.
Here is another question for, would you send want to send a large military to ireland to deal with IRA If we had a blast to a building in london.
at the same time you know what would happen to ireland and all the people, would you feel the same about everything.
It easy to dehumanize things but we should not.
We the UK have done a lot of bad things over the year all over the world, started wars because we could or to gain a something of benefit, not dealt with wars and issues because it was not a benefit to us.
We the UK are a world leader and have been for a very long time, its not just because of the our military because others have better, we are a county other wish they could aim to be, people from around the world which the country they lived in was the UK That's why.
What annoys me is when people hear a soldier is going to court for a war crime and are up in arms, why is this happening to one of our soldier without thinking, if he did nothing he has nothing to worry about and if he did the crime he will still be treated much better then how most people all over the world live.
99% of the time war crime committed by powerful countries to weak countries and people never comes to light or never dealt with.
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Celtic history was rarely taught in Scottish schools (can't speak for Welsh or Irish). The battle of Hastings was deemed more important and speaking anything but BBC English was actively discouraged. It's getting better nowadays though.
Can't agree that Celtic culture was 'wiped out' though. Celtic languages and traditions are still in use.
Well the sniper case is one of the cases thats going forward.
He kiled the guy who had been firing rpgs with a crowd of cheering onlookers behind him with no civilian casualties.
But may be charged because he didnt shout a warning.
The deone operator in both examples why would it go to court?
The operator was going by the information given he can't be held responsible because he has no way of confirming the information.
And how is a drone awful? But grenades rifles and rockets are fine?
Remember it's not illegal to kill civilians in war because the law isnt so insane as to assume that combat can be carried out in urban areas without such casualties.
Its just you're meant to take reasonabke precautions ans not use weapons which are indiscriminate.
But firing a tank shell into the house thats firing on your troops even if theres a family of 5 cowering in the attic woulsnt be a war crime.
Or even firing on tbe enemy and bullets going theough walls and killing civilians as they miss thier mark.
Well thats just ********.
Most of the time they're being commited by petty warlords and groups in places like Africa.
Or the groups in the middle east directly targeting civilians.
Very few war crimes are actually careied out by tbe major countries because they have no reall need or wish to.
I would be surprised if he is charged.
If he did shout a warning would he have the time, would the person even hear him or understand and how is it known he did not shout one already.
If does not at the moment it should, some one should be held responsible.
If a soldier is told to shoot and kills a innocent person who is responsible?
A drone is a deadly weapon, research should be done before using it and if the info is wrong someone should be responsible.
if i can be taken to court if someone walks in front of my car and killed (its not my fault), why cant they?
Like you have said Its just you're meant to take reasonabke precautions ans not use weapons which are indiscriminate.
but you would be responsible of you fire at the house next door.
I'm not saying a soldier should be taken to court for every silly little thing,
Im saying they should face the courts for crimes they commit that should never happen,
Selfish reasons (they felt like it) rape murder, torture
Im assuming most of our soldiers are the type you would want to believe in as good humans they think and feel before they do something better then most i hope
like every group of people you get some good and the bad, and like the other bad groups are dealt with so should the military
This is not always the case and its not mostly africa,
look at what happened in afghanistan and iraq we still dont know everything till date and it our military.
look at russia and ukraine
look at israel and palestine
I could go one but that would take ages,
I know Im drifting off but it will only be this once.
Talking about Aftica, we could have helped with a lot of issues like we think we did in Iraq and cleared up the mess in the congo and other areas.
We can help in a lot of places but we don't, Why don't we ? instead we make a mess in places we should not go.
No one is above the law, except people attempting to kill our troops, yeah? Are you equally concerned with prosecuting those who set off roadside IEDs?
You really have no idea of what our armed forces are trained to do - they don't just jump off a plane and go around killing, raping and pillaging.
/withdraws application.
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They should be, but taken in the context of my reply to 2013, how many Taliban have been prosecuted for war crimes by their own people? I doubt ANY of their fighters would stick to the rules of engagement.Where has he said that there shouldn't be repercussions for people setting IEDS?
If the tables were turned, would a Taliban fighter be offering medical support to a severely wounded British troop, or would he finish him off? And if he did, would he ever face a war crimes tribunal from his own side?
it isn't really about international law it is about UK law and EU law re: human rights
the sniper example posted above for example has nothing to do with any international laws but his alleged actions might well have breached UK rules of engagement, these vary but perhaps the ROE at the time was to give a verbal warning - there is often a get out clause too along the lines of these rules don't affect your inherent right to self defence etc..etc.. or some other line that allows you to bypass the warning in some circumstance when life is in immediate danger
but basically that whole case if it does goes forwards is about a UK soldier breaching UK rules which are tighter than some other nations such as the US. EU human rights rules also apply and sometimes mean UK troops can't hand over captured insurgents to US troops
I'd say most of these potential cases have little to do with international law - on a different tour, in say Afghanistan, that sniper might well have completely different rules of engagement - he's no longer in a city with a civilian population but is perhaps in an area full of Taliban with next to no civilians and anything that moves is considered hostile and can be engaged immediately
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So you saying if the terrorist dont get prosecuted why should we ?
In most cases they dont get prosecuted they get killed, should we do the same ?
Im not sure how their own people can do much if we are always butting in and still have out military making the calls, you need to remember a lot of countries dont have the military power we do, for them its a fight just keeping people safe, most of the terrorist would be killed not taken to court and if they did i dont think it would be public knowledge for security reasons.
I think you have forgotten about guantanamo bay, a lot of people held without any trials or any human rights, which has now fueled the rise of ISIS would you want our soldiers to be treated the same ?
Do british troops really even do they ?
Do you expect a terrorist group to take one of their members to court ? if your taking about the people the terrorist are targeting as his own site, think again the so called own people are the targets for not bending to what the terrorist want.
Ill put it another way, If the IRA attracted london would you blame Ireland ??
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Well, thankfully as a civilised country we hold ourselves to higher standards.
Or are you really suggesting we lower ourselves to their standards?
This Is why our county is great we have been known around the world.
Ok look at iraq and Afghanistan the vast majority kf any abuse was carried out by the iraquis and the afghans not the west.
We tried helping in Africa people got sick of the body bags comming home