Ultra 265K upgrade to 9950X3D?

[Nevakonaza]

Hey,

Anyone think that going from a Ultra 265K to a 9950X3D would be much, if at all of an upgrade?

Use my system for mainly playing Rust, And from what i can gather its more of a CPU intensive game than actual GPU, And with a mix of Medium to high settings seeing around 130-160 fps @ 144hz 1440P depending on what's going on.

While this is healthy amount of FPS, Id like to see more without it dipping below my monitors refresh rate which is 165Hz! without lowering graphics settings.

Upgrading GPU right now doesn't seem worth it, 5000 series kinda seems meh for the price unless you're going 5090 lol.

Specs in sig,Cheers.

 

[rare]

In some scenarios it would be a big upgrade. I’m not certain on Rust in particular but it’s a substantially faster CPU in gaming at 1080/1440. Is the cost worth it? Difficult to say as you are already getting good performance. A 9950x3d would set you up better for future GPU upgrades though over a 265k.

 

[Rroff]

IMO Arrow Lake is a bit **** for gaming, even the 285K you need to pair up with a lot of tweaking and expensive RAM to get convincing results and even then it struggles to pull away from the 14700K in many games. You probably would see substantial increase to minimum FPS doing the upgrade though overall at 1440p or higher the difference would be less significant.

That said IMO none of the CPUs out right now are in a great place for gaming - sure the 9800X3D tops a lot of benchmarks, occasionally beaten by the 9950X3D but that is purely focussed on benchmarking a game usually at 1080p - when you start putting broader gaming related use in there i.e. having other stuff running alongside it like OBS, maybe multi-boxing an MMO, etc. etc. things start to look a bit different - there are situations where I'm fully utilising 22 out of the 28 threads on my 14700K in gaming and my 8/16 CPUs while they hold up OK the experience could be better.

 

[Vimes]

Hey,

Anyone think that going from a Ultra 265K to a 9950X3D would be much, if at all of an upgrade?

Use my system for mainly playing Rust, And from what i can gather its more of a CPU intensive game than actual GPU, And with a mix of Medium to high settings seeing around 130-160 fps @ 144hz 1440P depending on what's going on.

While this is healthy amount of FPS, Id like to see more without it dipping below my monitors refresh rate which is 165Hz! without lowering graphics settings.

Upgrading GPU right now doesn't seem worth it, 5000 series kinda seems meh for the price unless you're going 5090 lol.

Specs in sig,Cheers.

I note, from your for sale items etc, that you went full team red but then decided to go back to blue, and keep your Intel build.

I have always been curious regarding the 9950x3D, having got a 14700k as my own main build. But I could neve seem to justify the costs of what it would be to change, not being sure what at all it could mean..?

Considering that, for a short time anyway, you had both options available for you, how come you decided in the end to keep the Intel build over that of the AMD..?

For the short time you had the x3D up and going, any thoughts..?


Thanks.

 

[dave28]

going from 265K to 9800X3D was the better move for gaming. Im not keen at all on the 9950x3d taking into consideration its price

 

[Vimes]

going from 265K to 9800X3D was the better move for gaming. Im not keen at all on the 9950x3d taking into consideration its price

I get that, but there is also some influence for those who would wish the best multi core experience for things other than games, where the 9950x3D might well be the preferred choice.
As you note though, the price difference between the two is considerable.
There is also, small perhaps, some consideration needing to be given to a potential for CCD cache and no cache issues of not being optimally aligned.

I'm interested in reading from those, like @Nevakonaza who have had some experiences of buying and using both pretty high end platforms to make them decide in favour of one over the other.

 

[Nevakonaza]

I note, from your for sale items etc, that you went full team red but then decided to go back to blue, and keep your Intel build.

I have always been curious regarding the 9950x3D, having got a 14700k as my own main build. But I could neve seem to justify the costs of what it would be to change, not being sure what at all it could mean..?

Considering that, for a short time anyway, you had both options available for you, how come you decided in the end to keep the Intel build over that of the AMD..?

For the short time you had the x3D up and going, any thoughts..?


Thanks.

Sorry for the slow reply,

Well, I still have both.

The reason i went with a 9950X3D even though the Ultra 265K is actually very good i just wanted "more" performance.

Like rRoff mentioned above, I think with the Ultra 265K series to get that extra performance you really need faster ram,Ie CUDIMM and give it a good overclock & fine tuning settings which i just cba to do really as i don't ever overclock...and even so I'm not even sure how well they overclock anyway.

I have now decided to keep the 9950X3D as it absolutely outperforms the latter, But we are talking about two very differently priced & specc,d CPUs here so its not surprising.

What i don't like about the 9950X3D is its quite a toasty CPU but from what I've read online is that its completely normal for it to idle 35-40c and hit 80c during load.

 

[Vimes]

Sorry for the slow reply,

Well, I still have both.

The reason i went with a 9950X3D even though the Ultra 265K is actually very good i just wanted "more" performance.

Like rRoff mentioned above, I think with the Ultra 265K series to get that extra performance you really need faster ram,Ie CUDIMM and give it a good overclock & fine tuning settings which i just cba to do really as i don't ever overclock...and even so I'm not even sure how well they overclock anyway.

I have now decided to keep the 9950X3D as it absolutely outperforms the latter, But we are talking about two very differently priced & specc,d CPUs here so its not surprising.

What i don't like about the 9950X3D is its quite a toasty CPU but from what I've read online is that its completely normal for it to idle 35-40c and hit 80c during load.

I was keeping an eye of the sale section, noticing your possible dilemma on what to keep. Good choice, I'm sure you will be happy with your build.
I would tend to compare the 9950x3D with the 285k, at least in price. Still the AMD offering is mightily expensive.

I see every reason to keep with my 14700k build rather than consider anything else by Intel at this point. The AMD build you have now most be most impressive for you, noting the board you matched it with.

I would doubt, thinking about games at this point, when running at 4k with my 4080 anything other than the 14700k would be of much benefit for the cost.
It doesn't stop me though from being tempted, and I would be more likely to be so in favour of the AMD platform for sure.

Enjoy your build, and thanks for replying.

Oh, did you manage to keep the same memory you had for the Intel build or did you need to buy something else..?

 

[Nevakonaza]

I was keeping an eye of the sale section, noticing your possible dilemma on what to keep. Good choice, I'm sure you will be happy with your build.
I would tend to compare the 9950x3D with the 285k, at least in price. Still the AMD offering is mightily expensive.

I see every reason to keep with my 14700k build rather than consider anything else by Intel at this point. The AMD build you have now most be most impressive for you, noting the board you matched it with.

I would doubt, thinking about games at this point, when running at 4k with my 4080 anything other than the 14700k would be of much benefit for the cost.
It doesn't stop me though from being tempted, and I would be more likely to be so in favour of the AMD platform for sure.

Enjoy your build, and thanks for replying.

Oh, did you manage to keep the same memory you had for the Intel build or did you need to buy something else..?

The thing is, The 285K was and still is way overpriced. Its hardly any faster than a 265K....certainly not worth the price hike compared to the 265K.

See I've always been a intel guy, I've just always preferred them but with Arrow lake i think the lack of choice really was disappointing...all we got was 6 & 8 Cores and that was it...i still don't understand why there was never a 10 or 12 core variant.

At this current time you have a pretty solid CPU, And even though its now an obsolete platform it'll keep you going for a while.

Don't do what i did and pull the trigger prematurely, I mean if i got a good offer on the 9950X then id sell it without a doubt as its OVERKILL (Hense the reason i still have it up for sale)

As for memory, I purchased a 64GB kit so no, Not the same memory, But it seems like Corsair ram now with their new models supports both XMP and EXPO. Without needing specific sticks...they have profiles for both.

 

[Rroff]

They've basically done a nVidia with the 285K - it is a i9 in name and price really - more like an i7 in reality and even then sometimes it struggles to pull away from the 14700K convincingly. There isn't much wrong with AL as such but the price.

I hate the current situation with CPUs - something the reviews don't really show but when you actually do a broader range of tasks the 14700K is often the best compromise but it is a compromise. For example while the 7800X3D will outperform it, less so at higher resolution and settings, when purely gaming, if you are doing something like multi-boxing MMO clients or have other companion programs alongside the game (like OBS, etc.) the X3D chips and AL often show their limits earlier.

 

[Vimes]

The thing is, The 285K was and still is way overpriced. Its hardly any faster than a 265K....certainly not worth the price hike compared to the 265K.

See I've always been a intel guy, I've just always preferred them but with Arrow lake i think the lack of choice really was disappointing...all we got was 6 & 8 Cores and that was it...i still don't understand why there was never a 10 or 12 core variant.

At this current time you have a pretty solid CPU, And even though its now an obsolete platform it'll keep you going for a while.

Don't do what i did and pull the trigger prematurely, I mean if i got a good offer on the 9950X then id sell it without a doubt as its OVERKILL (Hense the reason i still have it up for sale)

As for memory, I purchased a 64GB kit so no, Not the same memory, But it seems like Corsair ram now with their new models supports both XMP and EXPO. Without needing specific sticks...they have profiles for both.

I have built PC's since my first 386 SX 25, just noting that to provide some context when I say I can't remember the last time I had an AMD based CPU platform.
Intel have always provided a CPU that overall performs well and with decent chipsets and stability, brand confidence. For me anyway.
However, what has occurred with the RL in particularly has reduced that confidence somewhat, and then with ArL that has further muddied the waters.
For me what is pushing me towards an AMD consideration isn't the strong and compelling CPU's etc they now make, in some ways, but is just as much as what Intel is offering with ArL.

I am content with the 14700k, more so due to there being little that makes me feel that I will get a strong offer worth my consideration elsewhere.

In the meantime I'll keep doing what I do best, play the basket game and then, so far, some common sense seems to have prevailed and I have not pulled the trigger to buy anything........................yet.

I see you noted the speculation regarding the BL CPU's for the socket 1700 boards, if a 12 P core CPU is released, it could be interesting.

I see that it is team blue for you then.