Unemployed 'must learn English'

MNuTz said:
A gap that is being filled by foreigners who are willing to do the job and work hard.
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And at half the price because the money they send home is worth at least fours times as much.

MNuTz said:
The majority of the people you are standing up for could be criminals, drug users or just plain lazy sods, none of which deserve your support.
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Wait a minute. Isn't that an over generalisation similar to racism. Are you saying that EVERYONE who is unemployed is a criminal or a drug user or if they are neither then they are lazy sods. I beleive you are dear Sir, I believe you are. Talk about people in glass houses. :rolleyes:

So I imagine when a car factory closes down or some other engineering company those who are made redundant are just lazy or suddenly develop a crazing for drugs and start robbing people do they? :eek:

More to the point, how do you know that the immigrants you are defending are not criminals or drug users or just plain lazy sods. Getting on a plane isn't hard work you know and just because your from a different country doesn't mean you are any less likely to be a criminal or a drug taker. :)
 
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MNuTz said:
I certainly wouldnt. This leaves a gap. A gap that is being filled by foreigners who are willing to do the job and work hard. To make things run even smoother and to help business in the UK with their staff they are making people learn english. I cant see the problem, it benefits everyone involved.
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This is a generlisation. There is the commonly held belief that many poorly paid, menial jobs are populated en mass by foreigners who are naturally 'hard working'. I know foreigners who have very good jobs. I know foreigners who shirk. I believe that Roah's father had problems with employing Poles, who were playing with a nailgun.

Also, suggesting that the unemployed do not wish to work is simplistic and affords an oportunity to criticise them unfairly. There are many diverse reasons why people are unemployed.

The only people who are served by mass immigration, and the only reason it is allowed to continue, is becasue it serves business. Not only does the increase in the pool of potential employees drive down wages, but immigrants are willing to work for less.
 
MNuTz said:
I never said we should have an open border policy, we should have stricter rules and regs about who is allowed in the country and i do believe that we are being flooded at the moment and something will have to go pop soon.

However, as AJUK pointed out, we have 1.6 million unemployed brits who need encouraging by our governement to get work. If these people need encouraging to find work would you want to employ them?

I certainly wouldnt. This leaves a gap. A gap that is being filled by foreigners who are willing to do the job and work hard. To make things run even smoother and to help business in the UK with their staff they are making people learn english. I cant see the problem, it benefits everyone involved.

The jobs are there for the brits, if all you need to do is speak english to get a job then im sure the majority of them could find one, if they wanted to.
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Vicious circle init? No-one gives the Brits a job because they think they're lazy and need to be encouraged to look for work, which in turn puts more Brits on the dole. Meanwhile a load of hard-working Poles turn up and get set up in jobs the day they arrive.

To my mind, this is no different to the situation in the '80s, where African and West Indian men were perceived as lazy and bad workers, so when they went to job agencies they were told "Sorry - we don't have any jobs at the moment but we'll put your name down on a list and call you when we hear of a suitable vacancy". At the next desk a white guy is sent for 3 or 4 interviews. Its racism - simple as, but as its against white, British men no one gives a damn.
 
AJUK said:
If they can't speak English they shouldn't even be here let alone be claiming unemployment benefit. :mad:
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I think it's fair enough to come over here and then learn. I was thinking (well, dreaming) of moving to spain at some point in the future - I wouldnt become fluent in spanish before going over there, I'd learn enough to get by and then learn the language fully once I'd moved.
 
calnen said:
I think it's fair enough to come over here and then learn. I was thinking (well, dreaming) of moving to spain at some point in the future - I wouldnt become fluent in spanish before going over there, I'd learn enough to get by and then learn the language fully once I'd moved.
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But you recognise that learning Spanish is your responsibility, do not expect any help from the Spanish government in doing so and above all won't have any need to fill out an unemployment benefit form whilst there. Which, by the way, will be in Spanish only and will not afford you as generous a payout as back here in good ole soft touch blighty. :)
 
This really should have been introduced years ago but it's a good step.

I'm just curious as to what country in Europe I could move to, not learn the local language and claim benefits and housing of the government as well as free healthcare? Does such a country even exist?
 
Linoge said:
This really should have been introduced years ago but it's a good step.

I'm just curious as to what country in Europe I could move to, not learn the local language and claim benefits and housing of the government as well as free healthcare? Does such a country even exist?
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I'll give you one guess. ;)
 
the-void said:
Wait a minute. Isn't that an over generalisation similar to racism. Are you saying that EVERYONE who is unemployed is a criminal or a drug user or if they are neither then they are lazy sods. I beleive you are dear Sir, I believe you are. Talk about people in glass houses. :rolleyes:
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if you reread my post there is a could be in there, im noy saying they actually are. I was trying to get the point across that he is only sticking up for them because they are brits, not because of who they are or what they can or want to do.

My whole arguement is that we should judge everyone by their individual merits, not on what bloody country they come from. If free english lessons help my get a better team then i look forward to it, hell, one of my guys can only say my name and understand what 'break' means.

Everyone deserves a chance, i wasnt slagging of those on the dole just trying to get AJUK to understand that some of them will be bad apples that do not want to work at all.

many of the things he says i totally agree with, we do need better training schemes, more apprenticeships and maybe even national service. We also need better laws controlling who comes into the country and how many people come over.
 
AJUK said:
But you recognise that learning Spanish is your responsibility, do not expect any help from the Spanish government in doing so and above all won't have any need to fill out an unemployment benefit form whilst there. Which, by the way, will be in Spanish only and will not afford you as generous a payout as back here in good ole soft touch blighty. :)
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Why do you always have a go at everyone? He was stating that he knows and accepts the responsibility of learning another countrys language when moving there, somehow you start talking about how he wont get an unenployment form or any generous payout like he would if he was a citizen, what makes you think he intends of being unemployed? Are you angry he wants to leave the UK?
 
wizard91 said:
Why do you always have a go at everyone? He was stating that he knows and accepts the responsibility of learning another countrys language when moving there, somehow you start talking about how he wont get an unenployment form or any generous payout like he would if he was a citizen, what makes you think he intends of being unemployed? Are you angry he wants to leave the UK?
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I wasn't having a go at him and I was implying the complete opposite of what you have concluded. :confused:
 
wizard91 said:
Why do you always have a go at everyone? He was stating that he knows and accepts the responsibility of learning another countrys language when moving there, somehow you start talking about how he wont get an unenployment form or any generous payout like he would if he was a citizen, what makes you think he intends of being unemployed? Are you angry he wants to leave the UK?
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he wasnt having a go, just stating that he would go over to spain and expect the spanish government to pay for him to learn spanish, and would have difficulty getting benefits.

Pointing out that spain is a lot harder going than the UK is.
 
MNuTz said:
he wasnt having a go, just stating that he would go over to spain and expect the spanish government to pay for him to learn spanish, and would have difficulty getting benefits.

Pointing out that spain is a lot harder going than the UK is.
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Yes, but why would he assume he is expecting benefits and possibly to be unemployed, as for learning Spanish, he stated that he is learning that himself :confused:
 
MNuTz said:
no, all im doing is trying to show that he is sticking up for people who he doesnt know purely based on race. Im just saying that they 'could' be people like that.
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Which is positive discrimination isn't it?
If not then what is the difference?
 
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