Unemployment

[elite]

Sorry for taking the thread off topic, but this statement is nonsense:

Look at these stats, all from the CIA Factbook!

Country - Unemployment rate

Canada - 6.8%
France - 10%
Germany - 11.6%
Italy - 7.9%
Japan - 4.4%
Russia - 7.6% (plus considerable underemployment)
United Kingdom - 4.7%
United States - 5.1%

Need I say more?


@neocon - keep plugging away, it took me 7 months to find a job in a much more challenging field. If you want to go into molecular biology research, you need to get yourself some PG degrees. Have you considered doing KTPs?

tell that to former president clinton on the 39min speech he did yesterday which i watched on the BBC news website tonight when i got home from uni

 

[VIRII]

Yeah, but its wrong because unemployment is not defined in that way!

Quite. We don't count people paid to stay on at school as unemployed.
Hey Gordon how can we get the numbers down a bit and keep kids off the dole for a bit longer?
Pay them to stay at school, it's just like dole but we won't have to declare it as such.
Genious let's do that then.

 

[Visage]

this article states that 29 million people were in employment between april and june this year.

http://www.hrmguide.co.uk/jobmarket/unemployment.htm


population = 60 million - in employment = 29 million.

to me that is not 4.7% unemployment. its more like 53% unemployment.

So you count schoolkids, infants, pensioners etc as 'unemployed'?

 

[nin9abadga]

keep trying bud and something will trun up. it's easier to find a job once you have one (if that makes sense), there's less pressure, you have cash coming in and it will cheer you up.

your degree is in a very specialist area, and the chances are the jobs will be few and far between. keep your eyes on places like Glaxco (sp), boots and the like, the big pharmaceutical companies; universities for research/masters opportunities, technician places in schools; check their graduate recruitment opportunities and recruitment fairs. the chances are your perfect job won't come along straight away, all you need is a foot in the door even if it means working on reception or on the phones. if you are good in a big company the internal promotion opportunities tend to be good.

my route > university > bar job > crap sales job > bottom rung marketing job (my field and degree related) which i'm still in but rising the ranks. it took me 3 years to get here and i've been here 4 years.

it will take time, you must be prepared to get some kind of job to give yourself a chance. most importantly, don't lose hope, it WILL come good.

good luck buddy.

nin9a

 

[leaskovski]

How about if you go back to uni and do a masters/phd then you could become a research student.

What about teaching?? Science teachers are great tbh

 

[[DOD]Asprilla]

The only thing I have to add to this thread is that it's a lot easier to get a job if you already have one.

It doesn't matter what you are doing, just as long as you are not just collecting dole.

 

[The_TailGunner]

from what i remember from being on jsa a few years ago, they cant make you do a "menial" job

 

[Visage]

from what i remember from being on jsa a few years ago, they cant make you do a "menial" job

Isnt there a time period? Namely that you're alklowed to turn down jobs that you deem 'beneath you', but only for a certain timescale, before they say 'tough - take this job or we'll cut your benefits'

 

[Mr-White]

hertford is not far from me (well until i moved last month), theres loads of jobs about in that area. what sort of job you looking for, you can get tech support help desk jobs easily enough with no experience for starting pay of around £14k.

MW

 

[lordrobs]

The only thing I have to add to this thread is that it's a lot easier to get a job if you already have one.

It doesn't matter what you are doing, just as long as you are not just collecting dole.

I agree with this after having been in the same position. I didn't want to just walk into any job, not because I thought I was above doing anything, just that I wanted to be able to attend interviews at the drop of a hat and dedicate as much time as needed to finding a job (and trust me when I say I put the hours into this) This isn't necessary, poential employers expect you to already be in work and will be flexible in arranging interviews etc.

Alas nothing so I went for the first job I got offered after applying for literally half the jobs in the local classifieds. Like busses the interviews from previous applications started rolling in here and there but I thought "no, this place has given me a chance, I owe it to them to dedicate my time to them". Again this was a mistake. I was in a sales position in a retail store, they didn't give a stuff about me as long as I pulled in the £££££ and met my targets. So if you get other interviews TAKE THEM call in sick/make up excuses if you have to but don't take the pee too much.

I was just over two months in and was under a 3 month trial where I could leave with a weeks notice. I was already applying for jobs as I couldn't/wouldn't do what was required to sell the extended warrenties on products (basically they wanted you to lie, preassure people and make them think they had to take one or the product would be worthless scrap in 2 years time) Then out of the blue I got offered an admin position for a company loosely related to my degree field (promoting engineering careers in schools and I had done electronic eng.) The 25% pay increase was nice too

A year on and I was doing more of the engineering work than admin and I got promoted to Project Engineer (another 20% pay rise ) and whilst the job ain't perfect its a hell of a lot better than what I started off doing and infinately better than being on the rock and roll.

One thing though. Jobs aren't going to find you and that counts for the Job Centre too. I know when I went down there they couldn't tell me anything I wasn't already doing so their advice every 2 weeks. "Just keep on doing what your doing and good luck"

 

[Bobcat]

Its an old saying and a true one - Its easier to find work when you are in work, no matter what that work is

 

[Mr-White]

the job im in now is purely for experience, the pays not super but i know as soon as ive finished my home taught courses both these will help me get a better job next year when i move again.

MW

 

[ElRazur]

God someone please assure me it wont be like this for me....Im studying Biomedical sciences - was suppose to finish last year but failed 2 modules. My friends that finished hasnt got a job yet, he works as a night guard in a hospital - ironic, he wants to be a biochemist....

I think am gonna face abroad if this is the case or learn a trade job.

 

[cleanbluesky]

God someone please assure me it wont be like this for me....Im studying Biomedical sciences - was suppose to finish last year but failed 2 modules. My friends that finished hasnt got a job yet, he works as a night guard in a hospital - ironic, he wants to be a biochemist....

I think am gonna face abroad if this is the case or learn a trade job.

It may be like that at first, but remember that if you hadn't gone to university, you'd just be doing menial work and that would be all you'd do.

 

[Nozzer]

some Polish geezer has probably made work harder for you to find.

viva la revolution

I hear the Polish molecular biologists are flooding in through Dover.

 

[Nozzer]

if you hadn't gone to university, you'd just be doing menial work and that would be all you'd do.

That's a bit of a fallacy.

 

[D.P.]

My 2ps worth. It will probably sound as though i am showing off, and maybe I am. But my point is that it can be quite easy to get a job and that university education is important and can ultimately be useful.

I graduated in the summer and started looking at jobs at the end of August/start september, but not seriously as I was in no rush.

In total I sent my CV to 4 places and also an IT recruitment website. Within 2 days I had the recrutiment website offer me an interview for a top job in London, paying £35k doing MoD research. I was one of people 3 to be interviewed, declined the interview because it is military based. week laterrecrutiment agency said a company in the top 5 FTSE100 wants to interview me, that i am in the top 6 to be interviewed. Turned down interview because it was too software engineering based, and by this point I knew I wanted to concentrate on research.

I applied for 4 PhD positions. 1 position I did not get any reply to me email. The 3 other positions all offered me the PhD there and then in the interview (either directly, or indirectly by strong hints such as asking how soon i can start). I had the privelege to be able to fish for the PhD of my dreams.


I have just confirmed the application today. I will be well paid (more than many graduate jobs, and tax free with other benefits), live in a great place, will work with the most advaned technology on the planet developing robotics technology that verges on science fiction in scope. I am already jet setting around the world and will be in Brussels shortly, Rome in a few months. I will be working closely with the world experts and pioneers of this field.


My point University is still extremely important and is the best way of netting you dream jobs. If you are at university or applying, then aim big and do as well as possible. Getting a 1st can really make a difference and set you apart from other students. Try and get some industrial placements as well. Try and make your CV look as good as possible. Try and make as many connections as possible. The fact that my project supervisor is great friends with my undergraduate project supervisor has helped me tremendously.