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Anybody else despise working in groups? 1/2 of my course modules are group orientated. I'm first year at uni and you get put into random groups, I've been put with the laziest people ever who never turn up to meetings and do minimal work, meaning i've had to do some of their work so we don't get a horrendous mark. I have to organize every meeting which I don't mind if people turn up.

I would like to know who came up with the idea that group work is a good idea for first years, most people just think 'you only need 40% to pass first year, I don't need to do any work for that'. Yet some people actually want to get better than 40% (it impacts on my placement year). I e-mailed my tutor to say but got no reply. I would never usually e-mail a tutor to grass on someone but it's got beyond a joke.

Then there is the issue of Chinese people who can't even speak English properly, has some boffin decided to have mixed race groups to cause the most confusion possible? Why don't they just put the British with the British and Chinese with Chinese. Then we can communicate effectively and it won't cause language barriers. You would expect them to be able to speak properly and fluent seeing as they are studying in an English university yet they really can't. Some girl I'm with in a group took 3 minutes of attempting to read 3 brief bullet points off a slide. Simple words like manager and hygiene she didn't know, nor could anybody understand her. I can't believe they don't have some sort of English test before they are allowed to be enrolled? They are not all as bad but a hell of a lot are.

Anybody else have the same problems?
 
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You sound like the kind of moany twerp I would have hated in first year;)

Make friends with people on course, and group work should be a doddle. Invite yourself round their house to work on stuff, etc etc
 
You sound like the kind of moany twerp I would have hated in first year;)

Make friends with people on course, and group work should be a doddle. Invite yourself round their house to work on stuff, etc etc

So wanting to do decent rather than scrape past means I'm a twerp? Good logic.

I am good mates with a few of them but that doesn't mean they want to do work. There is one other lad that actually does stuff but we have split tasks each to do which relies on others being done so it's not really great. Plus the group sizes are like 5-6, not 2-3.
 
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Anybody else despise working in groups? 1/2 of my course modules are group orientated. I'm first year at uni and you get put into random groups, I've been put with the laziest people ever who never turn up to meetings and do minimal work, meaning i've had to do some of their work so we don't get a horrendous mark. I have to organize every meeting which I don't mind if people turn up.

I would like to know who came up with the idea that group work is a good idea for first years, most people just think 'you only need 40% to pass first year, I don't need to do any work for that'. Yet some people actually want to get better than 40% (it impacts on my placement year). I e-mailed my tutor to say but got no reply. I would never usually e-mail a tutor to grass on someone but it's got beyond a joke.

Then there is the issue of Chinese people who can't even speak English properly, has some boffin decided to have mixed race groups to cause the most confusion possible? Why don't they just put the British with the British and Chinese with Chinese. Then we can communicate effectively and it won't cause language barriers. You would expect them to be able to speak properly and fluent seeing as they are studying in an English university yet they really can't. Some girl I'm with in a group took 3 minutes of attempting to read 3 brief bullet points off a slide. Simple words like manager and hygiene she didn't know, nor could anybody understand her. I can't believe they don't have some sort of English test before they are allowed to be enrolled? They are not all as bad but a hell of a lot are.

Anybody else have the same problems?
Yes it is a common problem throughout universities. It is probably in the top 3 things that students hate about university (after the point when they realise their degree is worthless). Although you try bringing it up at a staff student council meeting without getting called a racist.
 
Ah random group work, i remember mine from 2nd year

Was put in a random group for the module to prepare us for placements etc, i had one chinese guy, an albanian, and some other guy who was from asia (no idea nor care) and didnt turn up, but basically we had a group presentation to do, so i asked them what they would do, they just stared at me. So took the hop to just give them work to do, and then we would meet the following week for the presentation as i was working on both other modules and earning money. So over this week i tried to contact the other member, basically no luck at all for a week

Day of the presentation came, still no contact as i knew, loaded up my emails to get my notes, low and behold i had an email timed from 6am from the guy asking what he needed to do. A basic **** you email written politically correct was sent in return :p

So onto the presenation itself, i was told it was indivually marked as i knew group marks would be unfair on me. I had my allocated time, but the others took well over 3 times their time allowed. Final outcome of the marks was group took too long, so naturally i exploded and went straight to my year tutor and course tutor, who both agreed it was unfair.

So, to sum up, group work does indeed suck, especially with people who cant understand you at all, so if i were you, complain, your paying to go to uni, you have every right to get as many marks as you can without pulling others

/rant

edit: i will also add these 3 in my group went straight into 2nd year of our course, which none of us were happy about)
 
I'd suggest going to see your tutor in person, and request (explaining what you have here) to be put into a group with people who actually want to work, I doubt they'll have too much of an issue with it if you explain yourself well.
 
Will really stick with me as probably the worst part of my university experience group work will, i don't think i did i did a single bit of group work without some sort of drama happening, i used to fight tooth and nail me to make sure the people who didn't do anything got no marks.

In the final year i know people who got 1st's rather than average 2:1's just because of the groups they ended up in and the lecturers having no balls to effectively peer assess the groups.

and this was on an RICS Accredited degree! so i cant imagine the horrendous situations people must find themselves in on other courses.

It used to wind me up that people had so little thought and consideration to getting high marks due to other group members, all it would have sometimes took to make me feel better is "thanks" or "i will contribute more next time".. and they didn't even do that, and the odd time they did they would promise to contribute then they still wouldn't or they would know they had a bad reputation for not doing any work and then take themselves down the pub instead of at least showing there face to help.
 
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Ah random group work, i remember mine from 2nd year

o onto the presenation itself, i was told it was indivually marked as i knew group marks would be unfair on me. I had my allocated time, but the others took well over 3 times their time allowed. Final outcome of the marks was group took too long, so naturally i exploded and went straight to my year tutor and course tutor, who both agreed it was unfair.

So, to sum up, group work does indeed suck, especially with people who cant understand you at all, so if i were you, complain, your paying to go to uni, you have every right to get as many marks as you can without pulling others

/rant

edit: i will also add these 3 in my group went straight into 2nd year of our course, which none of us were happy about)

At least you got individually marked. Ours is all collective.
 
Yes, had the same problems on my course but luckily I usually got pretty good groups - it's much more annoying when the work actually counts towards your degree though!

At the end of the day it's a good learning experience, if a bit annoying - sometimes your tutors help, other times they don't. Experiences like these often end up being very good for placement/job interviews, especially if you were the one taking the initiative and being group leader.

I do sympathise with the chinese/language problem - I don't expect to have to teach someone English whilst I'm doing project work at uni.... *cue jokes about the state of young people's spelling/language these days*
 
Will really stick with me as probably the worst part of my university experience group work will, i don't think i did i did a single bit of group work without some sort of drama happening, i used to fight tooth and nail me to make sure the people who didn't do anything got no marks.

In the final year i know people who got 1st's rather than average 2:1's just because of the groups they ended up in and the lecturers having no balls to effectively peer assess the groups.

Yeah this is what I don't want to happen. It's all group marked and they know that someone else will always be there to do it properly if they don't. Systematic failure imo.
 
What you say is a comon problem through university, my tutor happily admitted that it was clear some of the students had paid for their english qualifications.
Dont dispare I and my course mates managed to cope, found it quite funny in the end, it is only your first year afterall.
 
Am I the only person who has been able to choose all their own groups for group work at uni? Seems like a much better idea to me!
 
Will really stick with me as probably the worst part of my university experience group work will, i don't think i did i did a single bit of group work without some sort of drama happening, i used to fight tooth and nail me to make sure the people who didn't do anything got no marks.

In the final year i know people who got 1st's rather than average 2:1's just because of the groups they ended up in and the lecturers having no balls to effectively peer assess the groups.

and this was on an RICS Accredited degree! so i cant imagine the horrendous situations people must find themselves in on other courses.

It used to wind me up that people had so little thought and consideration to getting high marks due to other group members, all it would have sometimes took to make me feel better is "thanks" or "i will contribute more next time".. and they didn't even do that, and the odd time they did they would promise to contribute then they still wouldn't or they would know they had a bad reputation for not doing any work and then take themselves down the pub instead of at least showing there face to help.

This.

Also OP: I would recommend changing to a university that doesn't remind one of a certain early- twentieth century animated rodent.
 
Hate working in groups at uni, mainly because my course isn't the hardest and everyone else in my group is not that bright. Plus I like to be 'in control of my own destiny' as it were.
 
Am I the only person who has been able to choose all their own groups for group work at uni? Seems like a much better idea to me!

We were allowed for one module, there was 3 of us and 3 tasks so it seemed logical. Then we got 2 Chinese lads moved into our group who we have to give work to. They send us work directly copy and pasted from wikipedia. It's humorous and very annoying at the same time.

Bes - I know, it's disappointing in the way the course is handled. Some modules are really well presented and structures and others are just a complete mess. Although it is a relatively new course. It's not a top Uni but it's not a terrible one either.
 
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Am I the only person who has been able to choose all their own groups for group work at uni? Seems like a much better idea to me!

I have and sometimes thats worse, because then your dealing with people you think you can relate too and they still don't do anything!

The politics were unbelievable in my final year, we had a small group of students who went off abroad to do one piece of work and all got 90%+ on there work because hallam wanted to be seen by the other universities to be good and they only had limited time to do it.. nobody seemed to mind it was mostly rubbish.

Everybody else back in old blighty did the same piece of work and produced piles of work, nobody got over 70%

Another gem was what was called "block week" in the final year, in this groups were set up and we were tasked with managing a real estate portfolio and producing the best results, this one week was worth a full module of credits (20 credits)

Several people did above and beyond as so to speak, one guy did Christmas cards in his group which the tutors liked and got them some extra marks, i created a fully functional web site for my group, but the group that got the most marks apparently "blew the tutors away" which were there words with his colorful poster showing stuff copied out of real estate text books, in poster boys group they all got 88%, at least 3 people i know got a 1st in there degree because it was so heavily weighted.. we got 67%..
 
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We were allowed for one module, there was 3 of us and 3 tasks so it seemed logical. Then we got 2 Chinese lads moved into our group who we have to give work to. They send us work directly copy and pasted from wikipedia. It's humorous and very annoying at the same time.

Sounds more annoying than humerous to me, I don't think I'd be able to put up with having to work in groups with people not willing to pull their own weight.

Luckily we only have a few group projects a year (other than labs once a week where we need to work in 2s), and we have always been able to choose our own groups.
 
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