And you have statistics to backup up your contentious argument of course.
And you have statistics to backup up your contentious argument of course.
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OP, I feel that the stigma you mentioned is exactly what the Government are trying to eradicate.
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Most degrees are only worth having from one of the top Uni's anyway, aren't they? :trollface:
They can look down at me all they like - Fact is, I'll have a job and no debts to worry about 
I know so many people that are doing courses in "Media", I just can't see they're all going to be able to get a job.
When I was in my first year of Sixth Form, I worked at Tescos on the checkouts on a Saturday - I met a guy who went to University to study History, one year down the line and he still couldn't get a job and had massive debts
I know so many people that are doing courses in "Media", I just can't see they're all going to be able to get a job.
When I was in my first year of Sixth Form, I worked at Tescos on the checkouts on a Saturday - I met a guy who went to University to study History, one year down the line and he still couldn't get a job and had massive debts
10% on average is the figure for graduates ending up as unemployed - and I'll put money on the majority of those 10% being 3rd class degrees in basket-weaving from some ex-Poly that no-one has heard of.
It is quite bad, a lot of "good" jobs so to speak have a requirement for a degree, even though you don't necessarily need to one to do the job properly or learn the ropes.
It's a bit of a catch 22, the more people that the go to university, the stricter entry requirements become in order for 1st stage selection to be more manageable.
This is a bit of a generalisation, but more and more employers go down the 'grad scheme' route where they specifically target universtiy leavers.
This.
Good degrees, from a top 10-20 university are still very valuable and generally we regarded by employers. Obviously you need to a have a few more strings to your bow than just a decent degree...
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I see what you mean. Nowadays anyone can get a degree and not have the ability to do a job... For example there was a guy that come in the work place, having all the paper but when it came down to the job he just wasn't all that lol
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I take it your one of these uni students or ex uni student who thinks they are better than everyone else... because you can spell and correct people on a forum?
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I think this thread highlights precisely the lack of support and help that people should be getting near the end of compulsory education to assist them in making good choices for their life ahead.
So many people go into uni because "that's the way to do it", usually in courses that they really don't understand beforehand what benefit they'll give them OR end up not going to further education and sometimes regretting it later or thinking that because they didn't do a higher degree that means they shouldn't/couldn't do better.
So many young people have wasted years of their lives and tons of money studying things they never really liked and ended up working in jobs different from what they studied and what they would like doing. All that because no one was there to advise them properly when they needed it. It's sad really and hopefully people who have suffered from it will try to advise and help their children to break the cycle.
So many people go into uni because "that's the way to do it", usually in courses that they really don't understand beforehand what benefit they'll give them OR end up not going to further education and sometimes regretting it later or thinking that because they didn't do a higher degree that means they shouldn't/couldn't do better.
So many young people have wasted years of their lives and tons of money studying things they never really liked and ended up working in jobs different from what they studied and what they would like doing. All that because no one was there to advise them properly when they needed it. It's sad really and hopefully people who have suffered from it will try to advise and help their children to break the cycle.
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I work in television, and the situation is reversed. You get laughed at if you've got a degree in "media studies".
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Given the choice between spending the time that I did getting a degree, and getting started on the bottom rung of a career and having the money and experience that time earned me, rather than ending up with a fairly common and undesirable degree, I know which I'd pick.
However, I think it comes down to more than whether you have a degree as to whether you look down on others.
I'd say it's more of a class thing than a university thing.
However, I think it comes down to more than whether you have a degree as to whether you look down on others.
I'd say it's more of a class thing than a university thing.
I'm at university now and really do question the value of the degree I'm earning. Doesn't really feel right being here to me. Being rather low in the ranking for universities I feel the only thing I'd really get out of studying here is potential contacts, which (perhaps over optimistically) I could get out in the 'real world'. I'm only here in the first place owing to the abysmal employment situation.
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If you go to University and do something worthwhile like engineering at a top uni then it can really boost your earning potential.
If you go to University and do something crap like sports science at a rubbish uni then it isn't going to do much (if anything) and you would be better off climbing the ranks in a business in those years you would have spent studying rolly pollies and setting up badminton nets.
'I have a degree' in itself means nothing anymore. It depends entirely on WHAT you did and WHERE you did it. Some degrees are fantastic to have, others are fit for toilet paper.
Do not worry if you didn't go to uni
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If you go to University and do something crap like sports science at a rubbish uni then it isn't going to do much (if anything) and you would be better off climbing the ranks in a business in those years you would have spent studying rolly pollies and setting up badminton nets.
'I have a degree' in itself means nothing anymore. It depends entirely on WHAT you did and WHERE you did it. Some degrees are fantastic to have, others are fit for toilet paper.
Do not worry if you didn't go to uni
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What a strange thread. I went to a private school and have never felt that others were looked down on for not doing so in ways I wasn't, infact if anything the only thing being privately educated seems to do for other peoples perceptions is make them think you are a ****.
Degree or no degree, relevant experience is king. You'll see a lot of jobs now say degree or equivalent experience. We hardly even consider graduates unless they have a year or two experience in a related field, how exactly do you achieve that whilst studying at uni? Having someone that has spent 4 years or so in relevant employment is far more employable than a graduate who has spent 4 years studying for a piece of paper that really tells me nothing as to whether they can actuall do the job.
If you go to University and do something worthwhile like engineering at a top uni then it can really boost your earning potential.
If you go to University and do something crap like sports science at a rubbish uni then it isn't going to do much (if anything) and you would be better off climbing the ranks in a business in those years you would have spent studying rolly pollies and setting up badminton nets.
'I have a degree' in itself means nothing anymore. It depends entirely on WHAT you did and WHERE you did it. Some degrees are fantastic to have, others are fit for toilet paper.
Do not worry if you didn't go to uni
This, spoken for the truth
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And this. I find the preception that people from private school speak down to those who didn't is actually much worse and untrue than the actually cases of it happening.....