Unreal Tournament 3 gets Keyboard, Mouse & SIXAXIS Support!
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They wouldn't need any permission. Compatibility with MS live and Xbox is a different matter though.naffa said:Yeah I agree. I don't imagine Sony will be able to attain permission to create cross platform compatibility with Microsoft's Windows.
Mr Latte said:
But there already is.
Live in theory should be less susceptible to cheats, but in reality it doesn't always work like that
I have heard of more people being banned on the PS2 network than on live (Both xbox and xbox 360)
And my 2p worth i don't think live will work on PC's. I don't think you will get any PC users wanting to pay for live. Also what are they going to do, release games you need to pay to play online?? i think PC gamers will be very hostile to it, they have the tools to do it already, and since they are already on a PC the tools are easily accessable.
JUMPURS said:But there already is.
Live in theory should be less susceptible to cheats, but in reality it doesn't always work like that
I have heard of more people being banned on the PS2 network than on live (Both xbox and xbox 360)
And my 2p worth i don't think live will work on PC's. I don't think you will get any PC users wanting to pay for live. Also what are they going to do, release games you need to pay to play online?? i think PC gamers will be very hostile to it, they have the tools to do it already, and since they are already on a PC the tools are easily accessable.
I havnt even mentioned cheating, but its still possible on Live if you regard one of the keyboard adapters for the X360 that are available to purchase as an unfair advantage.
Of course theirs no problem setting up your own game and play with who you want to or with selected friends in a private session. Just about every 360 FPS style game offers this kind of feature.
As for PCs its really Microsoft studios themselves that are pushing this cross platform with games like "shadowrun" isnt it meant to be the first to do so?
Not sure if with this game you actually need to sign up for Live, on the PC perhaps they will run compatible servers that make it happen , who knows.
However remember live isnt just about gaming anymore its going to be a complete entertainment service with HDTV as already started in the states.
Cant say i care much for this but Live everywhere and vista is all part of how it will intergrate PC /mobile/messenger/360 communication and their entertainment downloads like it or not, whether other people care or want it remains to be seen.
2008 will be the year it really begins to all happen
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JUMPURS said:
Sincerely doubt they will do that, since it will alienate the majority of PC UT players. Imagine playing then against people who doesnt have a KB & M, and how will they balance the game since it will be grossly unfair to gamepad players who cannot afford to go and buy a KB n M specially for one game.
That will just ruin the whole game imo.
Its a funny subject matter as Microsoft have said in the past regards keyboard/mouse...
1.Original comment were that they want to have everyone on a level playing field.
2.Shadowrun will allow PC and 360 players to compete, now lets assume even quite a few PC gamers could play this on a PC with the 360 controller but part of the actual problem could arise with someone having a PC spec that is playing the game at a much smoother rate on their PC than say the majority of PC gamers or indeed X360 players.
2b.This is always the problem with PC online, each PC specs are different as is perhaps the controller hardware abilities, therefore hardcore FPS players will always take their gaming more serious and have such advantages.
3. Testers of Shadowrun have said PC gamers are not having an advantage and quite often x360 players have been winning in testing, im not so sure to believe this fully and tbh personally i dont see why Microsoft feel to need to combine PC gaming within x360 Live.
4. Lets take Forza 2 for example if when the game launches the £80 MS steering wheel actually does give an advantage of car control isnt this then going against Microsofts original comments of having everyone on a level playing field. Id fail to see the difference between a wheel in a racing game and key/mouse on a FPS. Of course its yet to be proven yet if indeed the wheel will help or it might even hinder players offering more fun but still easier/possible to do faster laps with the controller.
Normally im seen as PRO Microsoft but this does raise a few questions...
(someone please tell Joebob quick)
1.Original comment were that they want to have everyone on a level playing field.
2.Shadowrun will allow PC and 360 players to compete, now lets assume even quite a few PC gamers could play this on a PC with the 360 controller but part of the actual problem could arise with someone having a PC spec that is playing the game at a much smoother rate on their PC than say the majority of PC gamers or indeed X360 players.
2b.This is always the problem with PC online, each PC specs are different as is perhaps the controller hardware abilities, therefore hardcore FPS players will always take their gaming more serious and have such advantages.
3. Testers of Shadowrun have said PC gamers are not having an advantage and quite often x360 players have been winning in testing, im not so sure to believe this fully and tbh personally i dont see why Microsoft feel to need to combine PC gaming within x360 Live.
4. Lets take Forza 2 for example if when the game launches the £80 MS steering wheel actually does give an advantage of car control isnt this then going against Microsofts original comments of having everyone on a level playing field. Id fail to see the difference between a wheel in a racing game and key/mouse on a FPS. Of course its yet to be proven yet if indeed the wheel will help or it might even hinder players offering more fun but still easier/possible to do faster laps with the controller.
Normally im seen as PRO Microsoft but this does raise a few questions...
(someone please tell Joebob quick)
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At least people admit that M&K is better for FPS than a console control pad, so many times I have been in an argument with console people claiming they could beat a M&K user at an FPS game 
I for one will have a PS3 soon but when UT3 arrives, I will buy the PC version only for mods and better graphics, and if i'm able to go up against console users thats great! I'll just move further up the leaderboard!
I for one will have a PS3 soon but when UT3 arrives, I will buy the PC version only for mods and better graphics, and if i'm able to go up against console users thats great! I'll just move further up the leaderboard!
Mr Latte said:Snip, shocking balanced MS comments
The steering wheel is a good point. I must confess I have never used one outside of an arcade machine. I don't really know if they would help or hinder. I suppose a lot of the imbalance is created by people buying peripherals in some way.
I bought a joystick for SF2, not to give me an advantage specifically, but just because I have always played beat'em ups with them (in the arcade and in the home). So in this respect the imbalance is already here. Also MS have released a (crappy) Arcade joystick for all those XBLA games.
Sounds to me thee is always an imbalance in that a small minority of players buy different controllers, its just once you introduce PC players against console players suddenly 50% of the players have an advantage, as opposed to a small minority.
I guess the only reason this isn't an issue is that you will only get to play a few people online with joysticks. Whereas as soon as you play ps3 or xbox against PC, you know that every single PC player has a keyboard/mouse.
I agree with you on point 3, surely the players with the mouse were better in the test/trial/beta. Either that or they were non FPS players?
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a steering wheel doesn't make you turn or aim any quicker, people using M&K instead of a controller would be like having a aim bot being used in say Counter Strike
JUMPURS said:
I look forward to spanking your little bottom in Forza 2, oh and give that Jobob fella something to moan about, hee hee reckon i could overtake you lads whilst drinking coffee.
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rp2000 said:Time to request a refund from Microsoft for your live subscription MrPostNegativeSonyNewsManicMan???
Don't know much about this, but there is a MS game called Shadowrun that is going to be the first game for windows live anywhere (on pc and 360) and it is a FPS game.
Some details here:
http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/shadowrun/news.html?page=2&sid=6157706
According to someone who has played in the beta they say they can't tell the difference between the 360 and pc players apart from when using sniper rifles.
I don't know how you could ever balance a FPS game, to be equal from a keyb/mouse vs controller point of view. BUT Microsoft seem to be trying this.
rp2000
Right here are a few facts that are known about Shadowrun and Windows Live:
1) Shadowrun will enable cross platform gaming, to balance this, the development team have implemented mouse "calming" measure. The game slows down the speed of the mouse so aiming is slightly inhibited. Testers say it is done well as it does not effect accuracy, just speed. Console gamers have the added benefit of some auto-aiming aids, though i'm not sure to what extent these help.
2) Windows Live will have 2 tiers the same as Xbox Live. Silver and Gold. On the PC, Silver is free and will allow internet play for FREE, however, to play cross platform, users will need to pay for the Gold account which is the same price as the Xbox Gold account. This could all change however if MS have problems getting significant subscriptions. That is the plan at the moment though.
Other benefits of the Gold account are unknown, but i presume they will be similar to that of Xbox Live.
3) Live accounts are transferable, 360 gamers with a gaming PC can use a single subscription and carry achievements between them etc.
As for a level playing filed, games like UT3 may allow PC vs 360 but this will be used very rarely i would expect. 360 users are not gonna want to play against PC users in that game, they won't stand a chance. PS3 users might be more willing what with KB&M support but we shall see.
As for the steering wheel comparison, i don't think iot is quite the same. The wheel does help for some games but others it doesn't really make much difference. It is much nicer to use though. Still, you can never make it a complete level playing field and wheel support is slightly different from M&KB. M&KB give a much bigger advantage than a wheel does.
Dont want to take the thread too off topic.
Regards the wheel, giving the detailed lengths Forza 2 developers have talked about their physics engine running at approx 360 frames a sec (curious number) and how the wheel combines rumble and FFB to allow a player to sense the feedback more accurately and possibly with more control then indeed the experienced wheel user will be at an advantage, giving of course they are rather adapt at using it.
If the sim is rather ******** and the wheel is nothing more than an amusing gimmick then thats different, time will tell when the leaderboards start appearing showing times.
Regards the wheel, giving the detailed lengths Forza 2 developers have talked about their physics engine running at approx 360 frames a sec (curious number) and how the wheel combines rumble and FFB to allow a player to sense the feedback more accurately and possibly with more control then indeed the experienced wheel user will be at an advantage, giving of course they are rather adapt at using it.
If the sim is rather ******** and the wheel is nothing more than an amusing gimmick then thats different, time will tell when the leaderboards start appearing showing times.