Unspeakable horror

Nitefly · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:44

Nymins said:
I agree he deserves what he gets, but i think a life in a Vietnam prison would be worse than death. He should be torchered until he dies, that way he would wish he was dead.

I love these hypocritical 'Muslim Extremist' replies. They ammuse me so.

Tefal · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:47

Gackt said:
I guess it is in a way, perhaps I was using the wrong analogy - but killing him is like the horse escaping, and closing the door and that's it - whereas locking him up, in this case, is the horse escaping, being brought back in, and closing the door.

not really the child's still dead?

Its more like,

The dog got out the kitchen, killed a child in the street, and was put down.

or

The dog got out the kitchen, killed a child in the street, and was put in a cage for the next 7 years till it died.

the end result is the same, except one would have you arrested for animal cruelty.

Nymins · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:48

Nitefly said:
I love these hypocritical 'Muslim Extremist' replies. They ammuse me so.

What do you think should be done then?

NickK · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:48

wordy said:
For once I approve of brutal middle eastern punishment

Agreed.

Although OT - would people change their ways if applied the old ways of hanging, drawing and quartering people?

Tefal · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:50

Nymins said:
What do you think should be done then?

Humane execution, or life in jail, (though whether the later would be humane in a Saudi Arabian jail is questionable.)

Sankari · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:50

Tefal said:
locking a man away till he dies is a death sentence, by another name

Except that very few people are actually locked away for life. Most are sentenced to "life" but get out after 15 years or so.

It's a bit of a joke.

Gackt · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:51

Tefal said:
not really the child's still dead?

Its more like,

The dog got out the kitchen, killed a child in the street, and was put down.

or

The dog got out the kitchen, killed a child in the street, and was put in a cage for the next 7 years till it died.

the end result is the same.

Well I don't agree with the "Leave them to rot in a cell." idea - rather actually giving them the help they obviously need. And the dog isn't really a good analogy, because the dog is incapable of truly comprehending what he's done. Whereas a human can, and they can also learn from it. (but that's going OT)

Tefal · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:51

Evangelion said:
Except that very few people are actually locked away for life. Most are sentenced to "life" but get out after 15 years or so.

It's a bit of a joke.

yes but there it is for life, and that's what the person i was talking to was saying.

Sankari · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:51

C4EVA said:
Great, now they are going too behead a mentally ill individual

Has his mental state been confirmed? Are we sure that he is mentally ill?

Nymins · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:52

Tefal said:
Humane execution, or life in jail, (though whether the later would be humane in a Saudi Arabian jail is questionable.)

My Q was directed mainly at Nitefly, but i see your point

Tefal · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:53

Gackt said:
Well I don't agree with the "Leave them to rot in a cell." idea - rather actually giving them the help they obviously need. And the dog isn't really a good analogy, because the dog is incapable of truly comprehending what he's done. Whereas a human can, and they can also learn from it. (but that's going OT)

Changes nothing though does it the child's dead and all you can hope to achieve is to let the killer out, on the hope that he's learn his lesson.

Nitefly · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:54

Nymins said:
What do you think should be done then?

Personally, life imprisonment. I can understand why people would wish the death penalty upon such a man, but all this talk of 'torture' and 'prolonged' death is simply words of madness.

Nymins · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:56

Nitefly said:
Personally, life imprisonment. I can understand why people would wish the death penalty upon such a man, but all this talk of 'torture' and 'prolonged' death is simply words of madness.

I see what you mean, but i dont think its madness in this particular case. Mind you though the prison he could go to would be torture anyway. Can't imagine what goes on in there.

Gilly · 4 Mar 2008 at 14:57

Gackt said:
Well I don't agree with the "Leave them to rot in a cell." idea - rather actually giving them the help they obviously need. And the dog isn't really a good analogy, because the dog is incapable of truly comprehending what he's done. Whereas a human can, and they can also learn from it. (but that's going OT)

You don't know that this individual is capable of it. You don't know you can help him. You don't know he can learn from it.

Kill him and remove all doubt.

Orcish-Horde · 4 Mar 2008 at 15:01

You punish people so that they learn for their mistakes or to make them understand that what they did was unexceptibile and force comformity. Not just for the offender but also for other would be offenders. The death sentence is a last resort for people that just go to far. IMO murder is that limit, don't like the death sentence than don't kill.

KNiVES · 4 Mar 2008 at 15:04

Gackt said:
Well I don't agree with the "Leave them to rot in a cell." idea - rather actually giving them the help they obviously need. And the dog isn't really a good analogy, because the dog is incapable of truly comprehending what he's done. Whereas a human can, and they can also learn from it. (but that's going OT)

Do you think the killer should be released if he learns the error of his ways and knows he shouldn't have done it? I don't. Punishment is a punishment is a punishment. He may act that way again. We can never be 100% sure. The vast majority of killers reoffend, often with terrible, dire consequences and repurcussions. A lot of murders are also done by perfectly normal average Joes, who were going about their lives just like me and you. There's nothing wrong with them, you have violent and aggressive people by nature. I have already said it's plain ridiculous to try and 'help' them or to try and pre-emptively act on such actions. We can only do anything of real substance after the act has been carried out - and only then, death is the only way. Anything else is pointless. It's pointless to waste money on keeping a man in a cell. We leave people in prisons for far less. Severity has to be met with the firm hand of justice.

In this case, a child is dead. He won't be coming back. Nothing will bring him back. Remember that.

Slinwagh · 4 Mar 2008 at 15:04

Tefal said:
China is atheist yet is know for human rights violations, what's your point?

Well at least they don't try and hide behind a work of fiction !

Anim · 4 Mar 2008 at 15:04

The people that say he should sit in prison for years on end to reflect on what hes done etc make me chuckle to be fair, this guy sat back and planned on what he should do. With the hatred he had for the mother what was the best way to make her life a living hell? This is what he came up with and set out with intent to cause grief fully knowing the consequences, sitting in prison wont make him change his mind.

Things change I've changed · 4 Mar 2008 at 15:04

Orcish-Horde said:
You punish people so that they learn for their mistakes or to make them understand that what they did was unexceptibile and force comformity. Not just for the offender but also for other would be offenders. The death sentence is a last resort for people that just go to far. IMO murder is that limit, don't like the death sentence than don't kill.

The same for people that are mentally ill ?, because to cut a child's head off with a knife hardly seems sane if you ask me.

Nymins · 4 Mar 2008 at 15:06

Slinwagh said:
Well at least they don't try and hide behind a work of fiction !

Eeeep. *Runs to the hills*