For ****'s sake, you have missed the point three times in a row. Crime and religion in Italy and Saudi Arabia are not related. You're an idiot for thinking Catholicsm is responsible for crime in Italy, as well as Islam being responsible for the ills in Saudi Arabia. I highly doubt Islam had anything to do with this child's murder and beheading, yet you have used such a terrible tragedy as a soapbox for your own tirades. You should be suspended for being such a flippant fool.
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For ****'s sake, you have missed the point three times in a row. Crime and religion in Italy and Saudi Arabia are not related. You're an idiot for thinking Catholicsm is responsible for crime in Italy, as well as Islam being responsible for the ills in Saudi Arabia. I highly doubt Islam had anything to do with this child's murder and beheading, yet you have used such a terrible tragedy as a soapbox for your own tirades. You should be suspended for being such a flippant fool.
Religion bashing is sooooo 'OCUK 2006'.
So what do you do with them then, 10-20 in a an institution till they are declared sane, and so cannot be held longer or be sent to jail and must be let out, and then very likely once out the of the secure institutional environment they had become stable in revert back at some point and kill another innocent, then what rinse and repeat?
The only way I can see that people are saying this person should not be put to death is that they don't really comprehend what an awful crime he committed. Think for a minute of what that child was going through
This isn't a person who should live the rest of his life in relative peace, protected and funded by the state & taxpayers.
This isn't a person who should live the rest of his life in relative peace, protected and funded by the state & taxpayers.
Sane people have done this much, and worse.
You can't just assume that he's insane because he's done something horrible. Human beings are masters of suffering.
ahhh I see where I was wrong, I thought murder and torture where wrong, where as they only are if I live in a religious country.
Horrible
Beheading him is a too easy escape, as they'll no doubt do it in a second with a very sharp knife/axe. Bring back the stocks & dungeons!
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I've aready said what you do with them and you disagreed what more can I say, you said
but whats the problem with it being against his will ?, he committed a crime, obviously he has to suffer, people are incarcerated against there will all over the world, I'm just saying his suffering should be productive, it's still better than death, I don't expect him to live the life of riley, you say 'experiments' though as if to insinuate I mean some kind of Russian 1950 shock treatment centre lol, I mean a properly legislated study but you obviously knew I meant that.
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Great, now they are going too behead a mentally ill individualLike the murder of the child wasn't enough!!
What an utterly civilised and pleasant place to live!
No wonder repulsive stuff like this happens all the time their when the people are surrounded by such horrific barbarity!!
If someone mentally ill was coming to kill you and all you loved. Would you kill them if you knew before hand and it was the only way you could stop it happening?
If so whats the difference between killing them after, as chance is that you will not know whats to come?
As a father of a 2 year old I'm feeling pretty sick after reading that.
Should he be killed for it? To ******* right he should, in fact, no, give the father and mother a nice big rack of tools and let them torture the ****** to death, because thats what i would want.
In fact he wouldn't be alive to behead, I'd have taken him out right there and then.
Should he be killed for it? To ******* right he should, in fact, no, give the father and mother a nice big rack of tools and let them torture the ****** to death, because thats what i would want.
In fact he wouldn't be alive to behead, I'd have taken him out right there and then.
no I say experiments as that's what they are, your the one who says these experiments should/would involve suffering.
And you still never answered, what you would do if you found what gene defect trait etc, led to the possibility of them committing such an act, do you force them to take a treatment which changes them as a person/ even though they have done nothing wrong., lock em up just in case watch them 24/7 and warn everyone they meet, or just wait till they kill someone? then say I told you so?
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It's both crazy and f-ed up over in the Middle East. I hope he dies a slow and horrible death, the child had nothing to do with it, why the kid suffered because of something his mother did, I don't know.
Kill him slowly so he can watch himself die, I say.
Sometimes I wonder, are these people human or what? They must feel nothing at all to do what half of them do ... in my books they anit human so let's not treat them like they are.
Kill him slowly so he can watch himself die, I say.
Sometimes I wonder, are these people human or what? They must feel nothing at all to do what half of them do ... in my books they anit human so let's not treat them like they are.
I actually laughed at that, but none of it is funny at all...
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eh? of course he should suffer, I didn't say that the suffering is the 'experiments' though, the suffering is being locked up against your will in an institution, and I say Study as thats what it is, your as usual just trying to twist what I'm saying to win your little forum argument to help feed you internet ego, you don't argue objectively, you just argue to win regardless of content, it's just plain silly, you do it all the time.
Do you you really get confused that easily ?
I like you am no expert on the matter, I have a general idea of what should be done with the individual but beyond that your asking me to solve the worlds 'insane crime' problems on an internet forum, pinning me into that corner is poor way to prove your point, highly educated professionals haven't been able to work out what to do with these people so how am I supposed to know, like I said from the start all I know is killing people is wrong regardless of whether it's legislated or not, beyond that I'm just stating my opinions, you though state your opinions as if they are facts.
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I agree with you on this one, what a sick ****er.
You do not need to be an expert.
He has killed an infant in cold blood and would cost thousands, maybe millions to keep alive in a cell.
Vast amounts of resources will be consumed to keep this psychopath alive.
You cannot rehabilitate somebody like this. This isn't quite a case of "an eye for an eye", more a case of the guy is a sick individual who needs to be destroyed, almost like an animal.
No I'm just trying to understand what you mean,
For example you seem to see the word "experiment" as something sinister when I only use it because it's an everyday word for me, experiments are just what people do to practicality test theory or try to learn/observe something new onto which a theory can be based, whether its a rat in a maze, or looking through a spectrometer, at line spectra. ( both fascinating and important experiments in different fields btw).
then you accuse me of not arguing objectively while also adding some petty little insults, and also while proclaiming that this man is insane because of what he did with no medical proof or backing, the argument sane people don't do this is very flawed other wise there are a number of recent and past high profile killers/child rapists/murderers that would not be in prison but in an insitution here in Britain.
As for asking you to solve "insane crime" all i asked was if from your study (is that a "safer" word for you?) of criminals like this, say you found a gene, which was present in all such killers but only say 70-90% of the people with the gene went on to kill, what would YOU, do personally, lock them all up regardless of the 30% force them all to take some kind of medication, watch them all and force them to tell others in the area, etc etc , any suggestion you can think of that is slightly more specific than the word help.
surely saying I know killing is wrong would be stating an opinion as fact,
My opinion on the matter is that if a murder is committed in such a way as to be undeniably confirmed, ie, multiple witness camera arrested/detained during the event, such as this then the death penalty should apply, and it should be carried out quickly, and humanly as possible.
If the evidence is beyond the requirement for the burden of proof as it stands now, but not as complete as required for the death sentence, then it would be life in prison, with the ability to appeal.
However if the person is found to be truly clinically insane, then they should serve their time in a institution until, they are fit to serve their sentence, if that time should ever come.
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