Unspeakable horror

Gilly said:
If that is all you know, then you know nothing ;)

Killing people is not always wrong. This guy deserves to die.
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That’s the problem with a lot of people Gilly, they see the world in Black and White or Good and Evil "absolutes", they just can't see the world is not like that, sometimes what people see as an "Evil" act is done to achieve a "Good" end.

I guess the needs of the many really do out way the needs of the few...

Anyway, this thread has really depressed me today so all I am going to say is I am with Gilly and the majority on this one and leave it at that.
 
lowrider007 said:
well we'll have to agree to disagree, your points are no more valid than mine mate, you say killing is not allways wrong I say it is, you know no more than me, it's all just opinions end of the day.
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Is it wrong to kill a suicide bomber before he blows up a train or a bus?

*insert other such scenario*

Or does nessacrey still come under the category of wrong ?
 
Its things like this that really show how utterly evil some humans can be to one another, its like the case of the bloke who sexually abused his baby a few weeks back,he then h proceeded to kill her,she had a fracture in here skull:( What punishment can you really give these people. they really are screwed in the head
 
Tefal said:
Is it wrong to kill a suicide bomber before he blows up a train or a bus?"
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If you want to save the lives of the innocent people around him/her then obviously you do your best to disable that person, if that results in his/her death then that can't be helped, anyway that is entirely different to the case in the original post, the act has already been committed, I know what your trying to do, because I've stated that killing is wrong you are trying to get me to admit that killing in another extreme circumstance to save the greater good is acceptable then you'll go into a quoting spree,

I am saying that legally executing people for a crime already committed is wrong in anyway shape or form, yes this is my opinion but it is the one opinion that I am prepared to say I believe to be a fact because it's something I believe in with my heart and soul, no one has the right to end a humans life, the fact that we are punishing the man for killing someone by means of doing same to him to me is very contradictory.
 
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lowrider007 said:
If you want to save the lives of the innocent people around him/her then obviously you do your best to disable that person, if that results in his/her death then that can't be helped, anyway that is entirely different to the case in the original post, the act has already been committed, I know what your trying to do, because I've stated that killing is wrong you are trying to get me to admit that killing in another extreme circumstance to save the greater good is acceptable then you'll go into a quoting spree,

I am saying that legally executing people for a crime already committed is wrong in anyway shape or form, yes this is my opinion but it is the one opinion that I am prepared to say I believe to be a fact because it's something I believe in with my heart and soul, no one has the right to end a humans life, the fact that we are punishing the man for killing someone by means of doing same to him to me is very contradictory.
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It's not that contradictory, the execution of this man is to protect society. This man also knew the consequences of his act, and he knew that he forfeit his own right to live. That sucks a lot of power out of the contradictions, heart and soul thing. This is not an attack at all, but are you religious? I can understand your reasons more if you are.
 
im shocked to see people on here defending the guy by stating things such as he doesnt deverse the death sentence blah blah blah oh look at me on my high moral horse, i love trees and life blah blah blah.

Wake-up people! This isnt fantasy land!

Someone who can in broad day, in a supermarket, decapitate a small child infront of his mother and other shoppers deserves to die!

BUT

Then there are some people (a lot who have replied to this thread) who are all NEW AGE on their high horses saying he should be put in prison for life, helped to see his ways, given medical help, so maybe one day he can see the error of his ways blah blah blah! You people make me laugh!!!!
 
KNiVES said:
It's not that contradictory, the execution of this man is to protect society. This man also knew the consequences of his act, and he knew that he forfeit his own right to live. That sucks a lot of power out of the contradictions, heart and soul thing. This is not an attack at all, but are you religious? I can understand your reasons more if you are.
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I understand what your saying and I can see how people believe his death to be justified in the name of protecting society, I can see how that makes sense on one level, but I personally disagree, I think society as a whole could gain more in the long run by understanding more about what makes people like this do what they do, I believe no sane person can do what the man in Saudi Arabia did, (I'm sure that is open to debate though, and I could be swayed on that particular belief), I just think they should be studied, not "experimented on" as Tefal puts it, I personally think there is a difference, anyway that aside, I'm not quite sure on an intricate level what do with these people beyond that, I still think we have a long we have a long way to go before we'll ever know what to do with these types of people, I do think over time though studying these people and trying to gain a better insight to what makes them do the the things they do will help advance therapies and we'll be able to help people more that have these types of tendency's.
 
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lowrider007 said:
I just think they should be studied, not "experimented on" as Tefal puts it, .
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I did state my reasons for using the word experiment as to me that includes mear observations, I also find it very strange how you find that word somehow distasteful or scary?:confused:
 
Just going to throw a thought in here as devil's advocate.

Suppose that this person was mentally ill. Suppose that he had previously been in a hospital/institution because of this, but was discharged because it became too costly. Let's again suppose that those responsible for his care (and those who discharged him) were his brother and sister-in-law, the same couple who's young child has been tragically killed.

Would this man, in your view, still deserve the death penalty? Should he not be given full treatment/rehabilitation, given a prognosis that indicates his condition can be controlled, but not cured?

Or should the view be taken that he is a hopeless case, and will be a further drain on society?
 
Tefal said:
I did state my reasons for using the word experiment as to me that includes mear observations, I also find it very strange how you find that word somehow distasteful or scary?:confused:
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I don't know it just does to me in that context, i.e. 'we will experiment on him' sounds allot more distasteful than 'we will study him', perhaps it's just me.
 
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