Upcoming monitors before the end of this year?

Nexus18

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Any idea if we will have something along the lines of this before the end of the year?

- 27" 1440 144HZ VA/IPS free/g sync <£500

- 32" 4k VA/IPS free/g sync <£800

- 34" 1440 75+HZ VA/IPS free/g sync <£800

That isn't by acer or asus.

I see that Philips have a 32" 4k IPS due this month for £800 but no mention of g/free sync....

Also, why are we not seeing any good monitors by the likes of Samsung or Dell, it seems like only asus and acer are getting the good/exciting panels currently, is it just exclusivity deals? Or do they just not have any interest in monitors of those specs?
 
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No is the simple answer. Definitely not at those prices, and you can forget 34" 1440p above 75Hz until DP 1.3 is available on both monitors and GPUs... so that's a year away. That said, there is a RUMOUR that the Acer XR341CKA (the G-Sync version which is due in a couple of months) may be 100Hz due to it supposedly having ULMB... but I'm sceptical. This is using the same 60Hz curved panel that's in the LG/Dell models, just overclocked, so to be able to push it by 40Hz seems a VERY tall order to me. But we shall see. That said, it's made by Acer and will be about £1200... so forget that lol! I don't see this monitor being any less prone to the BLB and glow issues that plagued the LG/Dell. Asus also have a curved 34" ROG IPS due later this year, but it will be using the same panel as the XR34, and again I doubt the QC will be much better tbh.

As for 4K, I'd forget it until DP 1.3 comes out, and it's capable of faster than 60Hz... plus of course when you have GPU's capable of running it above that. 4K simply hasn't matured yet. The only argument for it currently is productivity and if you need that extra resolution for work. For a pure gaming set-up, it's not worth it.

I personally think the sweetspot is 1440p at 120/144Hz IPS... and it will be for some time yet. The problem is that only Acer and Asus seem to be interested in making those monitors, which is a shame as they are probably the worst monitor manufacturers out there, yet they are producing a 'premium' product. It's shocking when you read the reports of the Acer XB270HU and the problems people have had with so many of those.

I would LOVE to see Samsung/Dell getting in on this, but they don't seem that interested for some reason. Maybe it's an exlusivity thing, I don't know, but there's little doubt in my mind they'd do a better job than Acer/Asus... and in terms of customer support it would be impossible to do worse!!
 
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Not sure what is wrong with the prices :p

We have the;

- asus 1440 IPS 144hz freesync for £500

- philips 40" 4k VA for £600

- LG + Dell + AOC 34" 1440 for £600-700

These are all taken from ocuk too so I'm sure other places would be a bit cheaper.

So it can be done, perhaps not with "gsync" versions but certainly "freesync" versions.

Yeah, I always thought the same about 4k and that I would never touch it till we have GPU's capable of running games well, however, whatever monitor I get next I will be keeping for for a long time, at least until OLED/QLED arrives! :p So kind of want to future proof it somewhat and at least with 4k @ 32", you can make a custom 21.9 res. so it would be easier to run + you have the best of both in one.

Not overly bothered about 60HZ as with free/g sync, games should feel nice and smooth (input lag of current 60HZ IPS screens doesn't bother me in the slightest), the only real benefit from 144hz for myself would be the better motion clarity but that can be improved in other ways.

IIRC, badass said that benq might be bringing a 27" 1440 144HZ freesync AHVA (same as the asus) sometime this year, however, there is no official confirmation on this....

And yeah I am aware of the acer and asus 34" g/free sync screens but like you said, the QC and CS puts me of them, more so acer.

ATM, I am leaning towards the 27" 1440 144HZ VA/IPS free/g sync for about £500 option as it is the better "overall" package in my eyes.
 
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If the asus mg279q had Gsync at the same price i would be all over it, im looking for 1440 144hz ips gsync, but 500 would be my limit.

Gsync seems to rise the price a lot, i may still get the asus mg279q, as long as its 1440 144hz and ips i think i would be happy
 
I would be amazed if BenQ don't bring out a 27" IPS-type (AHVA) 144Hz at some point given their affiliation with AU Optronics, the manufacturer of the panel. They do like to wait and ensure they get things right though. My gut tells me that if we do see that panel being used by BenQ it will be a FreeSync model, as they are also very focused on providing multiple inputs, scalers etc. No official word at all on anything yet, i just think it's inevitable at some point.

In terms of Dell, they tend to be more focused on all-round, general screens. They rarely go after the gaming market at all, so i'm not sure we will see them release a screen. It's possible, but i've heard no mention of it. Dell are also working very closely with LG.Display, so switching to an AUO AHVA panel might not be in their policy. LG.Display have a high refresh rate 27" 1920 x 1080 @ 144Hz panel planned for Q3 this year, so if anything from Dell, we may see that adopted. although again, given they don't normally focus on that market i doubt it.

Samsung make their own panels as well (PLS, IPS-type) so i think they would more than likely not adopt the 144Hz AHVA panels from AU Optronics to enter this space. ive seen nothing in the Samsung panel roadmaps suggesting a high refresh rate PLS offering either, so i don't expect to see Samsung, as a monitor manuf, come out with anything in this space any time soon either.


high refresh rate VA panels are a possibility in the future, given AUO are offering a 35" AMVA panel at 2560 x 1080 @ 144HZ (as used in forthcoming models like the BenQ XR3501). However, they don't have any other AMVA panels like that in their current roadmaps, and those normally run a few quarters ahead of time. so given that they normally plan the panels a few quatrers ahead, and then it takes monitor manuf another quarter or so to use the panels, i'd say it's at least a year before any hope of any other VA panels at 144Hz.

Sharp made the MVA panel used in the Eizo FG2421 with 120HZ support, but their focus seems to be entirely on IGZO IPS-type panels, and so again no other high refresh rate VA panels planned from them

Samsung make VA panels too (previously PVA, now called SVA) but they dont have any high refresh rate versions at all at the moment, or planned in roadmaps. i doubt we will see any as well as PVA response times are an issue. Samsung are more focused on their PLS IPS-type technology than VA nowadays.

4k FreeSync and G-sync panels will be limited to 60Hz refresh rate for a while given bandwidth limitations, panel support and DisplayPort limits.

As for 34" IPS high refresh rate, I wouldn't be surprised to see one from BenQ again at some point if it takes off properly and the Acer and Asus offerings are succesful. although i expect it wouldn't be for quite a while as it would involve them using an LG.Display panel since AUO don't make any 34" panels at all yet.
 
Thanks very much for the detailed response! :)

So then, it seems like perhaps just a benq 144hz IPS 27" freesync might be coming this year.


Between the benq XL2730Z and the asus MG279Q, which one would you recommend for my usage/needs:

- films

- games (FPS like BF 4, metro, crysis..... 3rd person like tomb raider, batman)

- I watch and play quite a bit of dark content and IPS glow bothers me a bit in these types of areas:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28242283&postcount=1093

Essentially which one would have better looking blacks whilst still showing detail in areas like the screenshots I provided?

I would be coming from a LG 29um65, which is fantastic for colours and image quality and I really like how the image sort of "pops", would I be disappointed going to the benq? Viewing angles aren't too important as long as colours don't change drastically on small changes....

I would prefer to go with the asus screen but.... the high chances of receiving one with severe bleed or/and IPS glow as well as Asus's poor CS puts me of.
 
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Reading that, it doesn't seem the 34" is Quantum Dot, only the other screens in their line-up. So seems highly likely that the 34" just features the same 60Hz panel we've previously seen in the LG/Dell/AOC... it would surely mention a high refresh Freesync/G-Sync if it featured either. But yes, it does look pretty.

The only monitor I'm intrigued by is the upcoming Asus PG279Q... but only if they can QC it properly. I reckon that will be the monitor sweetspot if they can produce one without horrendous bleed, glow andstuck/dead pixel issues.
 
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Philips will be showing a Quantum Dot 34" Curved Ultrawide at IFA in Sept

http://hexus.net/tech/news/monitors/84833-philips-show-34-inch-curved-ultrawide-quad-hd-display-ifa/
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my take on Quantum Dot, for what it's worth

Quantum Dot is quite a clever marketing approach and sounds pretty snazzy as a name. But really it boils down to offering customers wide gamut colour spaces at lower costs than what is currently available by other means (like wide gamut CCFL backlighting or GB-r-LED backlights). At the end of the day though, the same "issues" around requirement for wide gamut apply as they always have. About 5 years ago there was a massive push on wide gamut screens from all manufacturers, at all levels of monitor range. Even basic TN Film office panels began to use wide gamut backlights.

However, most people soon realised they didn't actually want or need wide gamut, and if anything it was a hinderance rather than an improvement. Only the high end expensive screens had colour space emulations to offer support for specific gamuts like sRGB and Adobe RGB. Other lower cost models just worked at their maximum wide gamut, often quite a bit beyond standards like Adobe RGB. this just led to issues with colour management for most users, who are working with standard sRGB gamut primarily. skin tones looked too red, greens and blues looked very neon and everything just looked unrealistic. only those working with wide gamut content in a proper colour managed workflow really benefit from wide gamut support, even then many need to be able to work with sRGB colour spaces regularly. Wide gamut is certianly not for everyone.

Quantum Dot will make wide gamut more available at lower costs. great if you've identified you want and need wide gamut support for your workflow. for everyone else, it's just a gimmick and fancy name in my opinion and people would still be better off with standard sRGB gamut panels most of the time
 
Any thoughts on this badass?

Nexus18 said:
Between the benq XL2730Z and the asus MG279Q, which one would you recommend for my usage/needs:

- films

- games (FPS like BF 4, metro, crysis..... 3rd person like tomb raider, batman)

- I watch and play quite a bit of dark content and IPS glow bothers me a bit in these types of areas:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28242283&postcount=1093

Essentially which one would have better looking blacks whilst still showing detail in areas like the screenshots I provided?

I would be coming from a LG 29um65, which is fantastic for colours and image quality and I really like how the image sort of "pops", would I be disappointed going to the benq? Viewing angles aren't too important as long as colours don't change drastically on small changes....

I would prefer to go with the asus screen but.... the high chances of receiving one with severe bleed or/and IPS glow as well as Asus's poor CS puts me of.
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sorry i missed that post.

there's no easy answer to that really. it's a balancing act between the better viewing angles of IPS with some noticeable IPS glow, and the more restrictive viewing angles of TN Film with far less glow. The colours and contrast will change on the TN Film panel far more, and so if you're watching the movies from a distance, or differeing angles then you will probably find that more of an issue than the glow on the IPS. If you're watching movies from a decent distance then the IPS glow will be less problematic than up close as well. my gut says the Asus MG279Q would be more suitable overall for your needs given the movie use.
 
Thanks :)

I tend to sit about 70+cm away from my screen when watching media and playing games, I also have a LED strip at the back of my monitor, which makes the IPS glow less of an issue, my 29um65 used to be very good for lack of glow but for some reason, it has got worse over the last several months

I do think I would be a lot happier coming from the 29um65 to the asus instead of the benq tbh as I imagine once I get over the 144hz and freesync, the anti-glare finish + viewing angles would start to annoy me.


The other question is, could I go back to a 16.9 display, 21.9 displays just have this "wow look" every time I see them/mine.

Any idea if we will see a 29" 2560x1080 144HZ IPS freesync screen this year? :p
 
no, i really doubt it. see my post 6 from this thread for insight into current panel roadmaps and expected screens.

only current 29" ultra-wide panels are manufactured by LG.Display and they don't have any plans to do anything with high refresh at that size/res that i've seen. Samsung, AUO etc don't have any plans either to develop 29" so i think that specific format is off the cards for that kind of screen for now
 
Ah well :(

Will need to decide what to do then, either:

- get the asus 27" 144hz
- stick with what I have until something that "really" appeals to me comes along

I would consider the 29um67 but aside from freesync (which is a crap range on that), nothing else about it seems like an improvement over my um65, even the stand is still the same crappy one :(
 
I'm surprised LG aren't dominating the monitor market like they are with TV's. If they ever made a GSync High Refresh rate monitor I would seriously consider them over BenQ.
 
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