Upgrade from 4770k to 14700k

[Werewolf]

Hi

I posted a thread a few months back with a possible specification for a new machine, but decided to put it off until the new intel CPU's came out.

So I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how this looks.


My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Intel Core i7-14700K (Raptor Lake-S) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-INT-00800) = £419.99
• 1 x Kingston FURY Beast 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C40BBK2-64) (SKU: MY-29W-KS) = £209.99
• 1 x Noctua NH-D15 Dual Radiator Quiet CPU Cooler with two NH-A15 Fans (SKU: HS-026-NC) = £99.94
• 1 x MSI Pro Z790-A WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-36Y-MS) = £269.99
• 1 x Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (3.5g) (SKU: AC-000-AC) = £7.99

Total: £1,007.90 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

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I already have
Case: Phanteks eclipse p600s
PSU: Bequiet purepower 12m 1000 atx 3 gold
NVME 1 (boot -new): Seagate 530 2tb
NVME 2 (games - new): Crucia P4 2tb
GPU: 3070
SSD:2tb Crucial (slower/older games)
HDD 1 (docs): 4tb (might be replaced with a new 8tb)

 

[pastymuncher]

The memory looks slowish with poor timings to me. I would be looking at 6000mhz with cas 30 or 32 if it were me. The cooler seems massively overpriced when compared to Thermaltake's Peerless Assassin 120SE/Phantom Spirit 120SE. Arctic Silver had it's day and there are much better options on the market. Arctic MX-4 is cheaper, better and you get more of it and I would take that over Arctic Silver anyday.

On a side note, that is going to be one hell of a upgrade!!

 

[rare]

Only thing I would highlight is there’s no upgrade path with it, at least with AM5 there is the chance to upgrade another CPU or more down the line. But then if you’ve had a 4770 so long I imagine the 14700k will serve you well for quite a while.

 

[Werewolf]

I'll have another look at memory and the cooler

Re the upgrade path, i'm honestly not bothered at all, I have zero plans to upgrade again within the next 2-3 year*s, I'm only really upgrading now because of a few games that are showing the age of the current CPU, I'm not a big gamer and I suspect what I'm going for now is going to be overkill for the next few years.

I was actually shocked when I realised how long I'd had it, for some reason I'd been stuck thinking it was only 5 years old.


*I tend to replace motherboard/cpu/ram at the same time anyway.

 

[Rroff]

Arctic Silver had it's day and there are much better options on the market. Arctic MX-4 is cheaper, better and you get more of it and I would take that over Arctic Silver anyday.

While I'm planning on using MX-4 or probably MX-6 with my 14000 series build, AS5 is still a decent paste - people keep persisting in ignoring the instructions and then wondering why it doesn't perform as well as it actually can! I have to facepalm every time a reviewer says they are going to use the same application method for every paste to keep it "fair" and then proceed to use a method which the manual advises against...

With the characteristics of these CPUs though I'm leaning towards MX-6.

EDIT: Also something which can catch reviewers out - AS5 generally needs a few heat cycles to reach its best performance, while stuff like MX-6 will give full performance straight from application.

 

[Werewolf]

I've had some looking around and I think I've found some Corsair ram that might fit the bill - it seems like there aren't many 32gb modules that do higher speeds.

How does the: VENGEANCE® 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 DRAM 6000MT/s CL30 Memory Kit — Black sound.
The downside is it's out of stock for the next couple of weeks, and it's not from OCUK (I tend to like to buy cpu/ram/mobo from the same place).

I think this build is going to be the first time in 20 years I've not gone with Crucial, i'd like to but I don't think they do any ram that meets what I want (their DDR5 ram seems to be slower and lower capacity)

 

[JollyJamma]

I've had some looking around and I think I've found some Corsair ram that might fit the bill - it seems like there aren't many 32gb modules that do higher speeds.

How does the: VENGEANCE® 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 DRAM 6000MT/s CL30 Memory Kit — Black sound.
The downside is it's out of stock for the next couple of weeks, and it's not from OCUK (I tend to like to buy cpu/ram/mobo from the same place).

I think this build is going to be the first time in 20 years I've not gone with Crucial, i'd like to but I don't think they do any ram that meets what I want (their DDR5 ram seems to be slower and lower capacity)

You’ll struggle to run 64gigs of RAM at 6000 MT/s CL30.

Do you NEED 64gigs of RAM?

32gig or 48gig kits run much faster and are much less intense on the memory controller.

If you have to get 64gigs then stick to speeds of 5600 MT/s and tune the timings down manually.

If you seek more wisdom, Buildzoid has a DDR5 Buying guide on YouTube that’s excellent.

 

[bakes0310]

You’ll struggle to run 64gigs of RAM at 6000 MT/s CL30.

Do you NEED 64gigs of RAM?

32gig or 48gig kits run much faster and are much less intense on the memory controller.

If you have to get 64gigs then stick to speeds of 5600 MT/s and tune the timings down manually.

If you seek more wisdom, Buildzoid has a DDR5 Buying guide on YouTube that’s excellent.

Why will it struggle as I'm looking at the same. I thought it would be supported on new boards else why sell it.

 

[JollyJamma]

Why will it struggle as I'm looking at the same. I thought it would be supported on new boards else why sell it.

What?

 

[Rroff]

I've gone with 32GB 6000MHz for now - once the system is up and running and I know how things shake out potentially going to get another kit if they are on sale on Black Friday or whatever and see how it pans out at 64GB. I don't really need 64GB as things stand though.

 

[Tetras]

Why will it struggle as I'm looking at the same. I thought it would be supported on new boards else why sell it.

32GB modules are dual rank, they're harder on the memory controller.

 

[JollyJamma]

I've gone with 32GB 6000MHz for now - once the system is up and running and I know how things shake out potentially going to get another kit if they are on sale on Black Friday or whatever and see how it pans out at 64GB. I don't really need 64GB as things stand though.

Do a BIOS update if it doesn’t POST when you enable the XMP profile of your memory. It might help it work.

I still have reservations that XMP will work but hey.

 

[tamzzy]

could consider a 360mm aio if you're doing cpu intensive stuff other than gaming

Intel Core i7-14700K Review - Catching the 13900K

Intel Core i7-14700K is the only processor released today with an upgraded core configuration. Thanks to an additional four E-Cores, more cache and a 200 MHz frequency bump, the 14700K reaches performance quite close to the 13900K, at much better pricing.

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see the bottom left bar!! :O
and that's with a D15

 

[Rroff]

Do a BIOS update if it doesn’t POST when you enable the XMP profile of your memory. It might help it work.

I still have reservations that XMP will work but hey.

I generally manually tune the timings based off the XMP/SPD profile(s) anyhow, spent too much time building systems before XMP was even close to reliable.

could consider a 360mm aio if you're doing cpu intensive stuff other than gaming

Intel Core i7-14700K Review - Catching the 13900K

Intel Core i7-14700K is the only processor released today with an upgraded core configuration. Thanks to an additional four E-Cores, more cache and a 200 MHz frequency bump, the 14700K reaches performance quite close to the 13900K, at much better pricing.

www.techpowerup.com

see the bottom left bar!! :O
and that's with a D15

Gonna be interesting to see how it holds up with the Corsair 540 Air case and Dark Rock Pro 4 cooler - I'm not inclined towards AIOs any more, last 2 I had eventually started small leaks and the built in fans became faulty on the Antec 1250 I had. As I've got to transplant my current main desktop out of the case first and I'm running out of time today probably won't get to completing the build until next week though as working over the weekend.

 

[bakes0310]

What?

With you saying it won't run at 6000c30.

 

[Werewolf]

I'm a little confused as the motherboard is rated to IIRC 48gb per slot.

Re coolers I'm personally very against AIO's as it always seems that a failure on one has very little margin of error, and I've got a couple of friends who had them fail resulting in damage to their PC's (one had it fail with no warning and it seemed to kill one of the memory channels on his CPU).

 

[JollyJamma]

intel XMPs and motherboard QVLs are a useless mess.

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[JollyJamma]

With you saying it won't run at 6000c30.

I asked Buildzoid and he said that it’ll work.

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[Author_25]

For the Cooler have you considered the Alpenföhn Brocken 4 Max, gives good performance and cheaper as well as providing RAM clearance so no worrying about RAM height.

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Alternatively get the Thermalright Phantom Spirit, much cheaper still and highly rated.

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In regards to the motherboard the, Asus ROG Strix Z790-H Gaming WIFI, is on special at present, for £269.99 as well, and would give you a bit more bang for your buck.

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Also in stead of Thermal Paste, have you considered, Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet Thermal Pad, same or better temps but no mess and reusable, if careful, but more expensive.

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[Werewolf]

argh more choices! Cheers


Re 64gb
I'm wanting a machine that hopefully I won't have to touch bar the video card for 3-5 years, I "over specced" on ram for my 4770 system by giving it 32gb and that's been the main thing that seems to have let it last usably as it has (i've only really swapped out drives and updated the video card). I have too many memories of thinking "I can increase them ram in a couple of years" only to find the ram is now significantly more expensive as it's not in mainstream production and it's almost as cheap to replace the motherboard/cpu as well.

I'm going to look into the asus, I think i'd originally disregarded at least some of their boards because they didn't have enough m2/sata slots and IIRC full audio (I'm sure it's asus who for some fairly expensive boards are down to just a headphone and mic jack*).

I'll look into the coolers as well.



*Which instantly rules a board out for me, as I use the line in a lot.