Upgrade from 4770k to 14700k

I'll try and keep the thread updated when I do the build:)

Normally i'd just crack on but this time I'm probably going to be doing two nearly identical builds at once* as my bother has been wanting an upgrade as well and he's current machine is only about a month newer than mine (that was same mobo/cpu/ram - it tends to make sense for trouble shooting and spare if we both get the same base build).

I've had a look at the asus motherboard and I quite like it but it seems the shrouds/heatsinks on the VRM's cause issues for a number of air coolers, which combined with the loss of a pair of SATA ports and a PCI-E slot are really putting me off it, as I want to go with air cooling (I consider it far more reliable than AIO's, especially if you can fit two fans to the heatsink).


*Basically only some of the drives and the GPU's are going to be different.
 
tamzzy said:
could consider a 360mm aio if you're doing cpu intensive stuff other than gaming

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Intel Core i7-14700K Review - Catching the 13900K

Intel Core i7-14700K is the only processor released today with an upgraded core configuration. Thanks to an additional four E-Cores, more cache and a 200 MHz frequency bump, the 14700K reaches performance quite close to the 13900K, at much better pricing.
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see the bottom left bar!! :O
and that's with a D15
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That link takes you to some charts that are using a Noctua NH-U14S which isn't as good as the NH-D15 that the OP has listed - unless I am reading the information incorrectly
 
Spudgun said:
unless I am reading the information incorrectly
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you are indeed.
see the charts, it will state D15 in the bar

"For the new Intel CPUs we've increased the temperature limit in BIOS from 100°C to 115°C, to get a better feel for temperatures without thermal throttle getting in the way. We also did a round of testing with the Noctua D15 to get a feel for temps with a more powerful cooler (indicated by "D15" in the charts)."
 
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tamzzy said:
you are indeed.
see the charts, it will state D15 in the bar

"For the new Intel CPUs we've increased the temperature limit in BIOS from 100°C to 115°C, to get a better feel for temperatures without thermal throttle getting in the way. We also did a round of testing with the Noctua D15 to get a feel for temps with a more powerful cooler (indicated by "D15" in the charts)."
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Ah yes, I did indeed miss the additional round of 'extreme' tests that were done, my apologies - but surely, no home user in their right mind would run this CPU with the power limits turned off
 
Werewolf said:
I've had a look at the asus motherboard and I quite like it but it seems the shrouds/heatsinks on the VRM's cause issues for a number of air coolers, which combined with the loss of a pair of SATA ports and a PCI-E slot are really putting me off it, as I want to go with air cooling (I consider it far more reliable than AIO's, especially if you can fit two fans to the heatsink).
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Z790 is a bit of a nightmare in terms of parts compatibility :( and the provision of various ports and PCI-e slots, etc. personally won't buy Asus ever again so they were out, a lot of the mid-price Z790 boards the reviewers feel are a bit lack lustre for the price, while some of the pricey ones the reviewers feel you get a lot more for your money making the cheaper ones a false economy unless on a strict budget.

So I ended up with the Gigabyte Aorus Master - but still going to have fun making the RAM and heatsink fit as I'm not inclined to do another AIO build as I've had minor leaks with the last 2 and the fans stopped working on the Antec 1250 I had.

The top PCI-e 5.0 M.2 slot shares bandwidth with the x16 PCI-e slot which is less than ideal as well.

So fun and games.

faceman123 said:
Hmm dead socket I would go AM5 if building now, you’ll have easy slot in upgrades with half the power usage
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One thing I've learnt over many years of building PCs is to pretty much assume anything is a dead socket :s so often it either gets dropped despite promises or the competition comes out with something which makes it obsolete, etc. etc.
 
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Rroff said:
Z790 is a bit of a nightmare in terms of parts compatibility :( and the provision of various ports and PCI-e slots, etc. personally won't buy Asus ever again so they were out, a lot of the mid-price Z790 boards the reviewers feel are a bit lack lustre for the price, while some of the pricey ones the reviewers feel you get a lot more for your money making the cheaper ones a false economy unless on a strict budget.

So I ended up with the Gigabyte Aorus Master - but still going to have fun making the RAM and heatsink fit as I'm not inclined to do another AIO build as I've had minor leaks with the last 2 and the fans stopped working on the Antec 1250 I had.

The top PCI-e 5.0 M.2 slot shares bandwidth with the x16 PCI-e slot which is less than ideal as well.

So fun and games.



One thing I've learnt over many years of building PCs is to pretty much assume anything is a dead socket :s so often it either gets dropped despite promises or the competition comes out with something which makes it obsolete, etc. etc.
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not true an excellent example is earlier adopters of AM4 - who are now enjoying the 5800x3d 6 years later
 
The 14700K looks decent especially if you undervolt it and need the productivity capability. I'd still go AM5 though, lot more options and if for casual gaming and general use will be cooler and quieter and use less power.
 
Just a side note - most Z790 boards if using 2 sticks in dual-channel you should install the RAM in A2 and B2 slots rather than A1 and B1 as was the case for many older implementations. The way the signalling is done is different and can make higher speeds harder to get stable otherwise.
 
faceman123 said:
not true an excellent example is earlier adopters of AM4 - who are now enjoying the 5800x3d 6 years later
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You seem to have forgotten that if AMD had their way the 5800X3D would only have worked on X570/B550 boards. AMD have learnt from that "mistake" and have only stated that AM5 will be supported until 2026; so I suspect those who are expecting to buy an AM5 mothboard in 2023 and be able to put a CPU released in 2028+ into it are setting themselves up for disappointment.

If building a multi-use system with casual gaming then I would still recommend a 14700K/13700K. My 7800X3D was great for gaming but when compared to my 13700K, when both were at stock, it was much farther behind in productivity programs I use than it was when ahead in games - ~60% behind in productivity and ~6% ahead in games at 1440p.

The power difference while great for the 7800X3D, in reality didn't amount to very much and I worked it out that if I gamed for 5 hours a day, every day for a year (which I don't get anywhere remotely near) on my current tariff the 7800X3D would save me ~£20.
 
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MartinPrince said:
You seem to have forgotten that if AMD had their way the 5800X3D would only have worked on X570/B550 boards. AMD have learnt from that "mistake" and have only stated that AM5 will be supported until 2026; so I suspect those who are expecting to buy an AM5 mothboard in 2023 and be able to put a CPU released in 2028+ into it are setting themselves up for disappointment.

If building a multi-use system with casual gaming then I would still recommend a 14700K/13700K. My 7800X3D was great for gaming but when compared to my 13700K, when both were at stock, it was much farther behind in productivity programs I use than it was when ahead in games - ~60% behind in productivity and ~6% ahead in games at 1440p.

The power difference while great for the 7800X3D, in reality didn't amount to very much and I worked it out that if I gamed for 5 hours a day, every day for a year (which I don't get anywhere remotely near) on my current tariff the 7800X3D would save me ~£20.
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The nice thing is we have choices. AMD have perhaps learned to under promise and over deliver? The power, to me, is much more about heat and noise to dissipate it.
 
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Only thing I would highlight is there’s no upgrade path with it, at least with AM5 there is the chance to upgrade another CPU or more down the line. But then if you’ve had a 4770 so long I imagine the 14700k will serve you well for quite a while.
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i never get this its almost mute point especially on a enthusiast website. realistically if hes getting a 14700k hes going to have it probably five years. so whos going to stick a extra cpu ? literally no one. as you will just change the whole lot again then. only reason it becomes viable is if you on a low end cpu rest is just false sales.

it will be a massive upgrade enjoy. just swap the memory. :D
 
Troezar said:
The nice thing is we have choices. AMD have perhaps learned to under promise and over deliver? The power, to me, is much more about heat and noise to dissipate it.
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You're right, it is great that AMD have got their act together on the CPU front and are more than giving Intel a run for their money. (Shame about the GPU side at the moment).

Concerning heat and noise, in practice and everyday use my 13700K is pretty much the same as my 5800x was and that is running the 13700k overclocked (5.8Ghz all core, 6.2Ghz boost). A Peerless Assassin 120 is more than adequate or Arctic Freezer II 280/360. The Intel CPU also runs cooler when idling or doing basic tasks.
 
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i never get this its almost mute point especially on a enthusiast website. realistically if hes getting a 14700k hes going to have it probably five years. so whos going to stick a extra cpu ? literally no one.
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Sure in this case yeah- but some enthusiasts upgrade every release or every other release. In this use case obviously it’s not a big deal, still worth highlighting though.
 
Having read this thread repeatedly and taken in the suggestions (and the ones from my previous thread) I think i've settled on:

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £807.41 (includes delivery: £7.99)​



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Ram is Corsair DDR5 6000 with cas 30 timings.


Some reasoning:
Whilst there are probably better motherboards out there, the MSI one has enough NVME and SATA slots to keep both my brother and I happy, a full set of audio connectors, will take a wider range of air coolers and has 4 PCI-E slots which is important to me (it means I can add stuff later internally).

Cooler - again there are arguably better/cheaper options, but I know this one will fit and the manufacturer has good support, I'm also aware that it comes with two fans that are worth ~£25 each and my current Noctura has been running flawlessly for ~10 years (the fans are still going strong and quiet, meanwhile various other cans in the machne have been replaced 2-times).
I've decided against AIO's because I really don't like the fact that if they fail in any way you've got a very limited time before you have a serious issue and they are IMO more likely to fail in a way that requires full replacement (a friend had the pump in his fail without warning and killed the ability of his PC to use one of the memory lanes due to the overheating).
I looked at the thermaltake etc but whilst the price difference was large, I did note that at least one reviewer had an issue with the fans, and I think the noctura fans are better (I'd have quite possibly ended up replacing the fans on the thermaltake, so that's another ~30+ to it's cost).

Ram seems a good compromise between speed and capacity, I'm not after blazing fast speed as historically i've tended to run into more problems in regards to running low on memory, so mid speed but plenty seems like a good compromise, it's shown as compatible/tested by the manfuctura with the 14 series chips on this board, and it should fit ok according to Noctura in my case.

I've no intention of overclocking the CPU, so extreme levels of performance and related cooling are not an issue.

As I've said before, I'm not worried about dropping in a later CPU, as I'm planning on running this for several years and for the last 20 years I've basically always replaced the motherboard when I've upgraded the CPU
 
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