Upgrade from 5800x to 13700kf lower fps?

DLD · 30 Nov 2022 at 19:07

So I just upgraded my system to the 13700k on an MSI z690 Pro-A mb

I was originally running a 5800x with tuned 3800 mhz cl16 DDR4 ram

I'm using the same ram kit on the intel system, clocked at 4000mhz cl15 in G1 but sub timings not as tuned as on the AMD system

All I did was swap out the AMD cpu and MB and put in the Intel. Using an RTX 3080 10gb GPU

The Modern Warfare 2 benchmark I was averaging 178 fps with the AMD CPU. The Intel CPU I'm getting around 160 fps.

I figured my older 5800x was holding back my 3080 some. So I'm pretty shocked that performance is worse.

Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this? I score 31k in Cinebench R23 so the system seems to be performing as it should.

ltron · 30 Nov 2022 at 19:29

I'm not sure, memory tuning helps a lot on Ryzen. However, I'd expect the latest Intel CPUs to still be faster. Have you updated to the latest BIOS and did you do a fresh install of Windows on changing all that hardware?

DLD · 30 Nov 2022 at 19:36

ltron said:
I'm not sure, memory tuning helps a lot on Ryzen. However, I'd expect the latest Intel CPUs to still be faster. Have you updated to the latest BIOS and did you do a fresh install of Windows on changing all that hardware?

Yes I have the latest bios on a fresh Windows install.

Tetras · 30 Nov 2022 at 19:56

I'd run some more benchmarks, 3D Mark, etc? I don't think that one is known as the most reliable ever, but maybe it's been patched since then.

Qitarah · 30 Nov 2022 at 20:00

did you do a fresh windows install? If not, Its probably worth.

Guest2 · 30 Nov 2022 at 20:33

What settings in the Warzone 2 benchmark? GPU bottleneck for me is 99% (with a 3090 Ti)

ZXSpekky48k · 30 Nov 2022 at 21:10

Would a 5800x bottleneck a 3080? I don’t think it would in general??

Guest2 · 30 Nov 2022 at 21:40

ZXSpekky48k said:
Would a 5800x bottleneck a 3080? I don’t think it would in general??

Not at high res in highest setting. Unsure in potato mode 1080p or lower res

Quartz · 30 Nov 2022 at 22:00

DLD said:
Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this?

Are you running Windows 10 or Windows 11? And have you run the Intel overclocking utility?

Doggie2k · 1 Dec 2022 at 09:43

I was thinking about doing the same upgrade in the next couple of weeks, the games I play are very CPU intensive.

Will await to see what your problem is

DLD · 1 Dec 2022 at 14:38

Qitarah said:
did you do a fresh windows install? If not, Its probably worth.

Yes it is a fresh install

Guest2 said:
What settings in the Warzone 2 benchmark? GPU bottleneck for me is 99% (with a 3090 Ti)

Everything is set to low. Resolution is set to 2560 x 1440p

ZXSpekky48k said:
Would a 5800x bottleneck a 3080? I don’t think it would in general??

From what I seen with others, it will bottleneck some. Especially on the 1% lows. Regardless, a 13700kf should not be lower fps than a 5800x.

Quartz said:
Are you running Windows 10 or Windows 11? And have you run the Intel overclocking utility?

Tried windows 10 and 11, no difference. Never used Intel overclocking utility.

It has me puzzled lol. I get the MW2 benchmark is not the best tool, but it is the game I am currently playing. So losing around 18 fps average with the same settings just makes no sense to me.

Woodsta888 · 1 Dec 2022 at 15:01

Dunno why anyone would think a 5800X would hold back a 3080 @ 1440p. For the 1% lows you should have kept MOBO and got a 5800X3D which is a beast of a CPU for 1% lows.

Guest2 · 1 Dec 2022 at 15:40

GPU is still the bottleneck for me at 2560 x 1440 with all settings on low, 2560 x 1440

Minimal present, 100% resolution scaling. 2560 x 1440

Low (option selected to all low) 100% resolution scaling. 2560 x 1440

Darujhistan · 1 Dec 2022 at 15:41

Not sure what you were thinking with this "upgrade" at all tbh.

Guest2 · 1 Dec 2022 at 16:00

Just to add, the MW2 benchmark is a massive POS and wouldnt use it for testing. Running it just now 1/3 times I received a Dev error and had 2 crashes to desktop. Re-run and it's fine

I'm unable to make the CPU bottleneck, even at 1024 x 768 all lowest settings. Instead, GPU usage just drops as you can tell by the GPU temp.

DLD · 1 Dec 2022 at 17:57

Woodsta888 said:
Dunno why anyone would think a 5800X would hold back a 3080 @ 1440p. For the 1% lows you should have kept MOBO and got a 5800X3D which is a beast of a CPU for 1% lows.

Darujhistan said:
Not sure what you were thinking with this "upgrade" at all tbh.

I should clarify that I do not expect huge gains going to the 13700kf. I do not think it should be lower FPS either....
I swapped to it because from the benchmarks that I have seen, and the games I play, the 13700kf gets higher average and generally much better 1% lows.
This is being compared to the 5800x3d as well. So it should be much better than my 5800x non 3D.

Also bought the 13700k so I can build my nephew a PC with my 5800x for Xmas and later give him my RTX 3080 when I get a 4090 or something in the near future.

So again. I expected to have a little better average fps, with better lows. Resulting in a smoother feel in game and having a newer platform for when I swap in a better GPU

Journey · 1 Dec 2022 at 19:44

Would have just bought the 5800X3D then sold the 5800x to cover half the upgrade cost. You would have ended up with a better system tbh.

ltron · 1 Dec 2022 at 20:25

DLD said:
Yes I have the latest bios on a fresh Windows install.

Try disabling Memory Integrity in Core Isolation in the Windows Security settings if it's not already disabled:

Enable or Disable Core Isolation Memory Integrity in Windows 11 Tutorial

This tutorial will show you how to turn on or off core isolation memory integrity in Windows 11. Core isolation is a security feature of Microsoft Windows that protects important core processes of Windows from malicious software by isolating them in memory. It does this by running those core...

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DLD · 2 Dec 2022 at 15:58

Journey said:
Would have just bought the 5800X3D then sold the 5800x to cover half the upgrade cost. You would have ended up with a better system tbh.

As I said, I'm using my 5800x to build a system for my nephew. I do not need anyone to tell me what I should have bought. So I'm not sure why people keep telling me about the 5800x3D....

I looked into the 5800x3D before. It performs worse in pretty much every title. Games that I play like warzone especially prefer intel over AMD. AMD has terrible 1% lows, and even the 5800x3D still has the issue in certain titles.

This is not a 13700k vs 5800x3D thread. My question has to do with the 13700kf vs my 5800x.

ltron said:
Try disabling Memory Integrity in Core Isolation in the Windows Security settings if it's not already disabled:

Enable or Disable Core Isolation Memory Integrity in Windows 11 Tutorial

This tutorial will show you how to turn on or off core isolation memory integrity in Windows 11. Core isolation is a security feature of Microsoft Windows that protects important core processes of Windows from malicious software by isolating them in memory. It does this by running those core...

www.elevenforum.com

I checked, it's disabled.

Journey · 2 Dec 2022 at 16:21

DLD said:
This is not a 13700k vs 5800x3D thread. My question has to do with the 13700kf vs my 5800x.

Well instead of being all negative about the advice, after the fact or not, you've handicapped your 13700KF system with DDR4 so the uplift you are expecting isn't going to be there in many games/situations.

DLD said:
As I said, I'm using my 5800x to build a system for my nephew.

So, you could have used the RAM to build that system and got some new DDR5 for the upgrade, 32GB of Hynix-M-die based modules starts from around £180, and they are rated for 6000MT/s out the box and could do north of 7200MT/s if you have a good IMC.

My suggestion is therefore to send back the board, get a DDR5 one, buy some DDR5 RAM and get the system running like it should be. Or ignore everything I have said and hope that I am totally wrong.