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Upgrade, nearly here 5900x or 5950x.

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Ok so for the last 10 years I have put up with an aging x58 platform, starting out with an i7 920 @4.0GHz overclocked bundle from OCUK and a Nvidia 470. This CPU was water cooled in a simple 240mm rad custom loop.

This got upgraded to a NV 670 and then a NV 970. The CPU was traded out for a Xenon 5650 which runs lovely at 4.4Ghz. Now GPU wise I eventually went for a NVidia 2070 super, which is doing great.



Now CPU wise I decided to go AMD for more cores, rather than Intel which seem to have lost their way a bit.

Now with the thought of keeping this for another ten years, I'm thinking about either the 5900x or 5950x, now I know that at the moment neither is readily available, but heir scarceness wont last for ever.
12 cores vs 16 for the next ten years that is the question, either will be air cooled with a Noctua D15, so I'm changing out the water cooled loop.

My use case certainly doesn't need 12 or 16 cores, but I don't want to settle for less.

Money isn't an issue.

All comments welcome.
 
begs the question, when will their scareness end?

does anyone have a clue when you'll be able to order one? the thread on here hasn't been updated since the beginning of january.
 
As you yourself say, there is very little practical difference between the 5900x and 5950x.
The 5950x doesn't make sense in gaming PC's, by the time the additional cores will make a difference for gaming, PC hardware will have moved on so much that it won't matter for unrelated reasons.

You can't even buy a 12 core CPU from intel at the moment without getting a CPU designed to run web servers, hypervisors or CAD, the 5900x is far ahead of it's time.

5900x 100%.
 
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No point getting the 5950x for your use case. More than 12 cores won’t give you longevity unless you plan on using it for productivity stuff.
 
5900X is better value.

but neither chips are in stock at any kind of semblance of reasonable pricing. well 5950X is over £1000 on some sites and 5900X is also over £1000...so on that merit, you probably better off with 5950X :D
 
I went from a 3900X to a 5950X i could try to justify it but if i am honest it was for no other reason than willy waving. The 5950X is an absolute beast IPC is fantastic and load task manger from time to time and seeing all those threads is awesome. Both chips can still be had for MRSP if you are lucky and quick, i got my 5950X in eary December for £749. Honest answer though is unless you want to join me in some willy waving the 5900X will be more than good enough and a heck of an upgrade
 
As money is no object, 5950x. 100%

33.3% more cores is more futureproofed than the slightly improved few core speed the 5900x provides over it.

And, 5950x is easier to get hold of judging by queues and orders.
 
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I would buy whichever you can get your hands on.

The difference in cost over 10 years is almost nothing but the difficulty of getting either right now is a far bigger factor.
 
5950x. That thing is scary amazing. And seeing how game devs more and more get into multithreaded coding, those extra threads might come in handy. Besides. Also in next 10 years you cannot be certain that your use case will not change.
It is absolutely amazing that today we look at 6c12t CPU as bottom of the barrel, while just few years ago it was for select few.
 
I don't really see the point in going for the most expensive chips if you rarely make use of all the cores. I think it's better to spend less and just upgrade sooner.

Couple of years will see quite a big performance uplift with newer chips I would think.
 
bru said:
My use case certainly doesn't need 12 or 16 cores, but I don't want to settle for less.
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No idea why you pour loads of cash in to a dead end platform, you'd be better off getting something cheap, offsetting against your current gear once sold, and then upgrading to AM5/LGA1700 which will actually last you way longer as a platform, you'll still see performance benefits. Also don't forget we aren't in CPU stagnation hell anymore, the last time was a fluke, you got lucky.
 
I'm assuming you used the i7 920 for a lot of years before swapping it out for the 5650 and it seems you were quite happy, what's changed that you now want more cores? Why 12 or 16?

I don't need to tell you its not just about 'how many cores' the per core performance also matters and Zen 3 is hilariously faster than your Westmere / Bloomfield Cores, that's no reflection on those CPU's they are excellent, for their time, that time is long past, is an 8 core 16 thread Ryzen 5800X not enough? At least you can get one.

Edit: should really read the whole thread, i see you've been asked this.

I do think AMD will increase Stock of the 12 and 16 core CPU's at some point, and they are still releasing them to market right now, its just that they sell out about as soon as they land.

Maybe wait a bit or just keep trying to get one, you might get lucky.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
Couple of years will see quite a big performance uplift with newer chips I would think
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Agree, once Meteor Lake lands single thread performance on Comet/Rocket Lake might look average. I think an 8 core today will give you a couple of years gaming though no probs.
In the OP's case a 5950x/2070S looks cpu heavy... a 5800x with the saving/gpu sale going towards a high end navi/ampere is the sweet spot once stocks hopefully improve.
 
Well stock has arrived but choke at the price, maybe waiting a few more weeks/months and things will calm down a bit.
 
5900x was on my list. But the price currently is insane. I have a 3900x and fancied a upgrade because I have the money (@ RRP) Getting a 5900x is hard enough but that price. Nah. Grabbed a 5800x to game (£330) and the 3900x went in my other machine.
 
There are bundles around on various sites for a Ryzen CPU/motherboard that are marginally more value. Can always sell the board on. However they are still a bit over RRP.
 
Ok finally pulled the pin on this upgrade.

Its taken me ages to get it all sorted, but I've finally done it.

Gonna be leaving the water cooled xenon 5650 behind, and moving back to air and over to AMD for the first time since back in the Thunderbird days with the cheeky pencil mod. :cool: Those were the days.
Leaving out the optical drive as well, seeing as I haven't used it in ages, the missus has one if I need it.

I suppose I could move the Xenon/MB/Memory on the MM, it might even fetch a reasonable price?

Only fair to say that not all parts were purchased from OCUK.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,256.86 (includes shipping: £0.00)​
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bru said:
Ok finally pulled the pin on this upgrade.

Its taken me ages to get it all sorted, but I've finally done it.

Gonna be leaving the water cooled xenon 5650 behind, and moving back to air and over to AMD for the first time since back in the Thunderbird days with the cheeky pencil mod. :cool: Those were the days.
Leaving out the optical drive as well, seeing as I haven't used it in ages, the missus has one if I need it.

I suppose I could move the Xenon/MB/Memory on the MM, it might even fetch a reasonable price?

Only fair to say that not all parts were purchased from OCUK.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,256.86 (includes shipping: £0.00)
​


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Nice :)

Tho i would have, in fact did plumb for the B550 version of that board, it has the same 12+2 Phase VRM, has 2.5Gb LAN to your 1Gb and Intel Wifi 6, the only difference is the Chipset is PCIe 3, so the bottom M.2 and bottom PCIe slot are only PCIe 3 instead of PCIe 4 on yours.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-AORUS-ELITE-AX-V2-rev-10#kf

Currently £150.
 
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humbug said:
Nice :)

Tho i would have, in fact did plumb for the B550 version of that board, it has the same 12+2 Phase VRM, has 2.5Gb LAN to your 1Gb and Intel Wifi 6, the only difference is the Chipset is PCIe 3, so the bottom M.2 and bottom PCIe slot are only PCIe 3 instead of PCIe 4 on yours.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-AORUS-ELITE-AX-V2-rev-10#kf

Currently £150.
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I did spend a good long time trying to decide which board to get and in the end it came down to which one came into stock first this board or the gaming X one, I've had the board for about a month and a half now, just waiting for the CPU's.
As for the Gigabit networking, the hole network is only Gigabit so that wouldn't make any difference.

Looking forward to the build and the upgrade overall.
 
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