Upgrade/New Build Advice

So the intel 8600k needs a cooler? Which one would you recommend?

Just trying to work out pricing etc., I'm so out of the loop, all the threading stuff etc is kind of lost on me!
 
orbitalwalsh said:
3200 B-die and should be killer. only problem is , sync benchmark doesn't match up to gaming performance .
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True. Intel's Ring Bus being better for 1080p gaming than AMD's Infinity Fabric and all. However, to really be noticeable (and given the 2600/2600X can be overclocked a bit compared to non-overclockable 9500F) would be better to go with overclockable Intel chip, imo. That further improvement makes up for the loss of the extra threads in other scenarios.

Once you start adding cooler cost, Z motherboard cost, and chip cost, could stick with Ryzen and get a 1440p screen instead, where there's a lot less fps difference between CPUs. And use the full £1000 budget.

Dell S719DGF - £350
Ryzen 2600X - £172.50
MSI B450 Tomahawk - £90
Kingston Predator 16GB 3200 - £103
Corsair TXM550 Gold/Bitfenix Formula 550 Gold - £66
Zotac GTX 1070 8GB - £249.99

Total £1031.5 (minus what you get if you sell current monitor and current components)

GTX 1070 and GTX 1660Ti trade blows, some games one is slightly faster, other games the other is. Very little difference in fps in either scenario but the 1070 has 2GB extra VRAM.
 
I've always just written off 1440p, because I don't think I could go back from 144hz when I mostly play competitive FPS.

Budget wise I would ideally be sticking close to £800, I know i put up to £1k in my OP.

It seems like a toss up between AMD and Intel for CPU, and AMD and Nvida for GPU, feel like I'm going around in circles!
 
 
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Danny75 said:
It's a 155Hz monitor. But I understand if you're an fps monster and easier to get more at lower resolution. :)
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Ah, missed that entirely!

I'm at a loss here, I'm not really someone that obsseses over FPS numbers, just after smooth and enjoyable gaming for the next few years!
 
Ewaf said:
Ah, missed that entirely!

I'm at a loss here, I'm not really someone that obsseses over FPS numbers, just after smooth and enjoyable gaming for the next few years!
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anthing 80-100 fps average and you'd be fine :)

ryzen 2600x to save cash then but keep 2070 to push the numbers high.

though ryzen 2600x here is quite high and not that much cheaper from intel version...

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £939.87 (includes shipping: £0.00)​
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is your monior g-sync or freesync

intel + 2070 would be the chasing frames option
 
Danny75 said:
Sorry. :p
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Hah, don't be! Appreciate all the input. I'm just so out of the loop with everything.

My monitor is neither free synch or g synch, it's "LG 24GM77 24" TRUE 144Hz Widescreen LED Monitor". It will be what I replace after building the new PC.
 
Ewaf said:
Hah, don't be! Appreciate all the input. I'm just so out of the loop with everything.

My monitor is neither free synch or g synch, it's "LG 24GM77 24" TRUE 144Hz Widescreen LED Monitor". It will be what I replace after building the new PC.
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power, its the rtx 2070, money saving, vega 56 and 650w - either intel or ryzen ( currently not much in them with ocuk 8600k vs 2600x)
 
After revisiting the drawing board, and having to be more realistic about budget (nearer £800), come up with the below:

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI - B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston - Predator 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8 GB PULSE Video Card
Power Supply: BitFenix - Formula Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply

Coming in around £750. Questions I have are, as a 1080p gamer would intel be better? Would AMD be more future proof if I did decide to pursue 1400p?

Also, is the pro carbon mobo worth the extra over the tomahawk?

EDIT: the more I read the more it seems intel is better for gaming
 
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Ewaf said:
After revisiting the drawing board, and having to be more realistic about budget (nearer £800), come up with the below:

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: MSI - B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston - Predator 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8 GB PULSE Video Card
Power Supply: BitFenix - Formula Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply

Coming in around £750. Questions I have are, as a 1080p gamer would intel be better? Would AMD be more future proof if I did decide to pursue 1400p?

Also, is the pro carbon mobo worth the extra over the tomahawk?

EDIT: the more I read the more it seems intel is better for gaming
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as before, you've clocked your CPU high so you'll benefits with BFV and COD but CS:GO and apex your older intel would have been faster .

MSI posted a video on your instagram . basically RTX 2060 is beaten by Vega 56 at 1080p but RTX 2060 pulls ahead, was actually meant to show off their GTX 1660ti

Intels lead is cut with higher res and then your down to GPU power, would choose vega 64 or RTX 2070 if you've got the cash . Pro gamers still on 1080 but with 240hz screens and 2080tis with i9's

again with x570 arriving in Jul, push x470 Carbon at least for slight increase in VRM . not just cores that increase power draw but also speed and seems they'll be clocked higher


My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £787.05 (includes shipping: £11.10)
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Thanks for that! Question though, if i don't intend on upgrading my CPU for a long time, years in fact, why push for the more expensive mobo?
 
In Apex, Vega 56 and GTX 1070 or 1660Ti trade blows. It favours Nvidia so evens things up. They keep trading blows all the way up to 4K. Zotac GTX 1070 for £250 with 5 year warranty is especially good v just 2 years on Vega 56. It's not the only game you play but thought I'd mention it.

Because you're also getting a new GPU, and with £750 budget, CPU-wise it's more of a side-grade than an upgrade. You'd really have to spend more for proper CPU upgrade, i.e. overclockable Intel, or wait till summer when you can get better performance for a good price. That's the problem.
 
Zotac GTX 1070 - £250 (or Vega 56 or GTX 1660Ti)
Kingston Predator 16GB 3200 - £103
Intel i5-8600K - £224
Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X - £129
550W Gold PSU - £67

Total £773.00

And add a cooler.
 
Ewaf said:
Thanks for that! Question though, if i don't intend on upgrading my CPU for a long time, years in fact, why push for the more expensive mobo?
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as ddr5 will most likely stop zen 3 using am4 socket ( could be wrong), Zen 2 x570 line up features heavy increase in VRM to cope with more cores. 4-5 years time you'll drop be slapping in a 2nd hand ryzen 4000 12 core etc . wouldn't want to run that on a cheap board .

Ryzen AM4 is 2 gens not 4. ryzen 1000 and 2000 are under Zen and ryzen 3***/4*** under Zen2

then again, in theory ryzen 8 and intel 8 core should last good 6 years plus. i7 4 cores still are and DX12 Kind of makes older cpus better

havent been able to see B550 boards yet, know of x570 and they are a good jump from x470/b450
 
I see, makes sense! If I am 100% ordering in the next week or so
Danny75 said:
Zotac GTX 1070 - £250 (or Vega 56 or GTX 1660Ti)
Kingston Predator 16GB 3200 - £103
Intel i5-8600K - £224
Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X - £129
550W Gold PSU - £67

Total £773.00

And add a cooler.
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Tempting to just do this yea, as I really don't want to wait until July. As long as I can give it a little upgrade or so over the years then I'm fine with that. Current build is from 2013 and has served me well..

Am I right in thinking that the vega 56 requires a beefier PSU? 650?
 
Ewaf said:
I see, makes sense! If I am 100% ordering in the next week or so


Tempting to just do this yea, as I really don't want to wait until July. As long as I can give it a little upgrade or so over the years then I'm fine with that. Current build is from 2013 and has served me well..

Am I right in thinking that the vega 56 requires a beefier PSU? 650?
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yeah, vega is just a hot chip, even with vega 7 being 7nm node vs vega 56/64 still needs 650w +

gtx 2070/1070/1070ti can use 500w
 
Ewaf said:
I see, makes sense! If I am 100% ordering in the next week or so


Tempting to just do this yea, as I really don't want to wait until July. As long as I can give it a little upgrade or so over the years then I'm fine with that. Current build is from 2013 and has served me well..
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Would you like to see an RTX 2060 option with a cheaper motherboard? There are still Z370 boards and the MSI Z370-A Pro was found by Der8auer to be the best at overclocking 8700K out of the most budget ones. Would be fine for clocking the 8600K. Would avoid 9700K and 9900K though.

Palit RTX 2060 Storm - £300
Kingston Predator 16GB 3200 - £103
Intel i5-8600K - £224
MSI Z370-A Pro - £95
550W Gold PSU - £67

£789 and add a cooler.
 
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