Upgrade options for the system on 8700k

[Craig_d1]

I was looking at b650e-e and aorus pro/elite ax. Looks like gigabyte has better vrm, but priced a bit higher.

have you seen the below...worth taking a look as lists all features each board has. good temps on the gigabyte boards as you say.

I went with the b650e-e as I wanted the led error debug code display on the mobo..next level up was the msi x670e carbon, but that was another £150, and couldn't really see point. I had the b550e-e on previous build and never had a problem, so went with the same. Luckily the below told me I hadn't got a load of garbage, which is nice. Sure the gigabyte will be good too...didn't seem to be that many bad ones , except the prime boards where their temps were just on a different level. The HU vid didn't go that much into testing, unlike the b550 series he did and came out way to late(for me anyway), but nice to see...from there I'd choose the board you like, check some other reviews and if price is right, go for it. £350 for b650 today quite steep though, you're gettig into X670E board territory there. I'll put HU overiew for those below also..again, check review elsewhere also that go into more detail

 

[Mugen_fd2]

So pulled the trigger on 7800xd3, b650e-e, corsair ddr5 c30 and 5000d for future card.

Requested am5 kit for my noctua d14s cpu cooler - guessing it will do the job?

Will my 650w SSR-650FX still ok to use taking into account power not increasing much? Until I decide what to do with the gpu when super version arrives.

 

[Wing-Man]

So pulled the trigger on 7800xd3, b650e-e, corsair ddr5 c30 and 5000d for future card.

Requested am5 kit for my noctua d14s cpu cooler - guessing it will do the job?

Will my 650w SSR-650FX still ok to use taking into account power not increasing much? Until I decide what to do with the gpu when super version arrives.

what GPU?
a safe bet will be no

 

[Mugen_fd2]

3070

 

[Wing-Man]

personally i would replace it but you will probably be ok as a stop gap if needed

 

[Mugen_fd2]

Ill probably go 1000w to save on upgrading again in the future. 750/850/1000w not much difference in price.

What about cpu cooler?

Requested am5 kit for my noctua d14s cpu cooler - guessing it will do the job?

 

[Wing-Man]

the cooler will be fine. i use an AIO for better performance but the d14 will be fine.

 

[Mugen_fd2]

I will see how temps doing during my use and decide. Scared with any liquid being close to electrical appliances.

 

[Wing-Man]

I will see how temps doing during my use and decide. Scared with any liquid being close to electrical appliances.

the d14 will be fine. you want to set an offset via curv optimizer for the CPU but thats the same with ever system

 

[Mugen_fd2]

the d14 will be fine. you want to set an offset via curv optimizer for the CPU but thats the same with ever system

I would need to dive into that. In 2018 when I built pc last time based on intel chip I haven’t done that tbh.

 

[Noughtboy]

AM5 patform for 7000 series cpu are all DDR5, so 5800X3d would need a b550 board. But get what you meaning, though would just sticj with B650E board and 7600X...AMD really didn't want dud boards for AM5, so even the B650 boards are good, with exception of the cheap asus prime boards where the vrms struggle. My strix b650 board is on a 8 layer pcb, comes with pcie 5 and nvme slot, (can take 4 of those too though gen4 for most), loads of i/o and decent vrm that'll have no problem running anything...when you think most x570 boards were 6 layer pcb, generally had 2 nvme slots etc, even the b650 is a massive upgrade over x570..X670 just seem to get a few more i/o (as chipset is basically 2 b650 chipsets) and massive vrm for those that want to try and break records as they're such overkill.
Still if you want best gaming atm, pair a 7800x3d (£350..was cheaper BF but oh well), if you happy with gen 4 gpu/pcie then tuf gaming b650 wifi for £150 (will give you a pcie 5 nvme slot too though not gpu, but 4090 barely slows down on pcie3 slot, so wouldn't worry too much on missing out on pcie5, pcie4 will do) and 32GB 6000c30 ddr5 for £125-135 area(so £650 will get you best gaming combo you can buy at mo..gpu price aside)...seen 7800x3d with the msi tomahawk for £530 also(but seeing as that's all gen4 and still more expensive than the tuf, would just go with tuf), or if you want pcie5 for both and happy with 3 nvme slot, the asus b650e-f..4 slots, the b650e-e

Yep...of course. Too busy typing to notice but of course @Craig_d1 is correct. Ryzen 5000 goes with B550

 

[Craig_d1]

I will see how temps doing during my use and decide. Scared with any liquid being close to electrical appliances.

got corsair 360mm aio on a 5800x at home in a 5000X case...really not concerned with leaking tbh..if you go that way just get one with a 5 yrs warranty+...some come with 1 yrs warranty...5+ and think the company selling it has confidence in their product...1yrs, not so much
I work in diff country from home, so my 7800X3d here is in an evo case..same setup with 6 in fans, 3 out, but using an arctic a35 argb air cooler on it..it's a 120mm and unless i stress test it with cinebench, it's silent..under stress test think temp spiked to 80 degrees, but these can go up to 95 i think so well within tolerance..your d14 is a 140mm cooler/fan, so should perform better, and the 5000d has plenty of space in it for air to move around. I wouldn't worry about it, you'll be fine.

 

[Mugen_fd2]

@Craig_d1 I decided on d15 cooler in the end. Was thinking maybe PA120(and probably should for price/performance), but D14 was so good and I cannot fault noctua, so decided to pay premium.

Is there any place where the noob like me can get comprehensive info regarding correct first start on AM5 platform, undervolting 7800x3d(found out this from Wing Man actually), best 650e drivers for stability and general how to's in AMD world? Or it's a YT search again?

 

[Craig_d1]

@Craig_d1 I decided on d15 cooler in the end. Was thinking maybe PA120(and probably should for price/performance), but D14 was so good and I cannot fault noctua, so decided to pay premium.

Is there any place where the noob like me can get comprehensive info regarding correct first start on AM5 platform, undervolting 7800x3d(found out this from Wing Man actually), best 650e drivers for stability and general how to's in AMD world? Or it's a YT search again?

I just did yt and had someone on this forum that helped me with my 1st build...then just more googling for any questions i had etc and went from there.
For bios and drivers for the mobo, think from above you went with the b650e-e gaming, just go to asus website, and register mobo online with serial number etc for your warranty etc

..from there you can get all the drivers and new bios..link below

ROG STRIX B650E-E GAMING WIFI | Motherboards | ROG United Kingdom

The ROG Strix B650E-E Gaming WiFi is a future-ready B-series beast, featuring 16 + 2 power stages, hyperspeed DDR5 memory, and next-gen PCIe® 5.0 connectivity. It features four M.2 slots with heatsinks, USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 support, WiFi 6E, AI Cooling II, AI Networking, Two-Way AI Noise Cancelation...

rog.asus.com

if it doesn't come up with bios, at top hit support, then click on mobo and in dropdown scroll down to b650e-e. from there click drivers, and will bring you to pag with the bios etc

I updated mine while in bis using EZ flash utility within the bios..so downloaded bios onto usb, plugged that into mobo, and then while in bios, went to ez utility and found usb and clicked the folder and it did it all for me...can do it without instally cpu etc using usb and bios flashback button on back also..

the new bios reduces voltage to cpu anyway..unlike a intel cpu such as a 14700k/14900k, the power draw on the 7800x3d isn't that high, so wouldn't bother with undervolting further. don't see the need. I'm running a 3070ti on it at the mo, and also not going to lower power to that either..I want all the performance I can get until Idecide to bite bullet and get a more powerful gpu for 4k, or just hold on till next generation in hope price/performance improves...or steal my 3080fe back off my son who's nabbed it

 

[Mugen_fd2]

Thank you

 

[OliverQueen]

An 8700k would be fine at 4k paired with a 3070, if anything its the GPU you'll want to be upgrading.

Not wrong there. I was using a 3080ti with a non-K 8700 & wasn't seeing any CPU bottlenecking with it at UW 5120x1440p (although was sure that PCIe Gen3 was bottlenecking it until I saw that was getting basically same framerate in the games I play on a 13900K at Gen4!).

 

[Mugen_fd2]

Returned noctua and bought thermalright ps instead. Makes no sense when new version is out soon, if not delayed again.

 

[bJN]

Slight necro, sorry.

How's this performing? I'm still on an 8086k, 32gb, 3070 and contemplating some sort of upgrade as it's starting to feel a little slow at 1440p. Be interesting to see how much of a performance uplift you're getting?

 

[Mugen_fd2]

8700k was no slouch, but this new platform is snappier and faster in my opinion (I did reinstall windows from time to time on old pc, so it's fair comparison). I have no bugs with my mobo/chip/memory combo, system is stable in cinebench 23 and prime95 and with mild undervolting is faster than stock with lower temps - highest I saw was 79c with air cooling.
I do recommend it as looks like AMD in not what it was like in 2017-2018 when I built my last pc. Now waiting what money grabbing nvidia super series brings us and if 4070ti super will come with 16gb and 256bit and better price/performance than 4080 I will buy it unfortunately. Doubt 5000 series cards will be much cheaper.