Upgrade or replace?

tamzzy · 22 May 2024 at 14:27

amd option with a 7800x3d, obvs will be ~£60-80 cheaper with a bog standard 7700(x) and matching the prices of the 14600k build
(and the basis of my comparison earlier)

My basket at OcUK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DT-AM) = £359.99
1 x MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-375-MS) = £199.99
1 x Crucial Pro OC 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-CRU-02219) = £109.99
1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 Super Twin Edge 12Gb Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-ZTC-01499) = £548.99

Total: £1,218.96 (includes delivery: £0.00)

tamzzy · 22 May 2024 at 14:28

Gray2233 said:
Even something like a 7600 is going to show serious uplift, I don't think I'd be getting so hung up on the CPU side of things.

you're not wrong. both are great options, but there is always one option that is a better choice than the other

tamzzy · 22 May 2024 at 14:32

Tetras said:
Just 2x audio jacks with SPDIF, that's a weird combination

nah it's not a new thing. these mobos have audio jack retasking so the mic and front jacks become the sub/surround/etc - normally should be in the manual as to what connects where

jigger · 22 May 2024 at 14:46

Just noticed the OP is running 8 sticks of RAM. Haswell-E has a habit of the memory controller failing with high memory loading. Might be worth swapping the CPU as you can pick them up for peanuts.

heatonpkmassive · 22 May 2024 at 15:09

bigdave2k9 said:
RTX is always a bonus, i mean who wouldn't want it.

Funnily enough Dave, I can think of a few people round here

bigdave2k9 · 22 May 2024 at 15:29

A quick round of replies as wandered off to work... much appreciated the replies so far, just proves how far tech has come since this build..
Some interesting reading ahead.

jigger said:
Just noticed the OP is running 8 sticks of RAM. Haswell-E has a habit of the memory controller failing with high memory loading. Might be worth swapping the CPU as you can pick them up for peanuts.

Didn't know that. Once I've got a new system built, I'll bench the board and try a new chip in it. As you've highlighted the chips are peanuts so worth a try.

Tetras said:
Yeah, the problem I had is that I can't find a motherboard and even the Z790 Tomahawk (7x SATA and SPDIF) is like.. ~£250 and the OP's budget isn't big enough that dumping £250-£300 on the board seems like a good move.

The B650 Tomahawk being £200 (can be had decently under) makes it hard to argue against going AM5 and could maybe even squeeze in a 7800X3D (gaming) or 7900 non-X (productivity).

I've noticed a few mentioning about the board cost factor. If there is a justifiable case of using a higher end board to meet requirements, it will be taken into consideration.
If I had to swap out HDD's for M.2 or use a PCI-E based expander then so be it.. compromise where necessary.

tamzzy said:
yes i can see the AMD brigade marching in now
however in OP's circumstances there is a big argument to go intel as i've already laid out lol

I've had 3 AMD systems and 2 Intel systems. I'm not biased usually work to price.

heatonpkmassive said:
Funnily enough Dave, I can think of a few people round here

I won't open that tin of worms

tamzzy · 22 May 2024 at 15:41

bigdave2k9 said:
I've noticed a few mentioning about the board cost factor. If there is a justifiable case of using a higher end board to meet requirements, it will be taken into consideration.
If I had to swap out HDD's for M.2 or use a PCI-E based expander then so be it.. compromise where necessary.

both my amd and intel specs have all your requirements (6x sata, 8 or more usb rear ports, spdif port) and also 3 or more m.2 ports

Tetras · 22 May 2024 at 15:43

bigdave2k9 said:
I've noticed a few mentioning about the board cost factor. If there is a justifiable case of using a higher end board to meet requirements, it will be taken into consideration.
If I had to swap out HDD's for M.2 or use a PCI-E based expander then so be it.. compromise where necessary.

tamzzy solved that problem for the Intel build with the Z790 Gaming X so I'd just ignore my suggestion of the Edge

B650 Tomahawk for AMD/AM5 is already reasonable.

bigdave2k9 · 22 May 2024 at 15:47

tamzzy said:
both my amd and intel specs have all your requirements (6x sata, 8 or more usb rear ports, spdif port) and also 3 or more m.2 ports

The joys of reading comments on my phone. Can't throw a pile a tabs up and compare everything correctly. Least I know what I'm doing tomorrow..

bigdave2k9 · 24 May 2024 at 04:06

Had a little play around, most importantly done my numbers. I believe I've taken into consideration what has been said, feel free to slap me if not.. Is the extra bit of expense worth the reward?

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-14700K (Raptor Lake-S) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-INT-00800) = £399.95
1 x Gigabyte Z790 Gaming X AX (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BM-GI) = £199.99
1 x Kingston FURY Beast EXPO RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF560C36BBEAK2-32) (SKU: MY-29R-KS) = £139.99
1 x Asus GeForce RTX 4070Ti TUF Gaming 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-48X-AS) = £734.99

Total: £1,482.91 (includes delivery: £7.99)

The only item I've not accounted for in an aftermarket cooler.. not sure if to use a traditional one or go AIO.

bigdave2k9 · 24 May 2024 at 04:07

Duplicated my post :rolleyes:

ED209 · 24 May 2024 at 07:50

bigdave2k9 said:
Had a little play around, most importantly done my numbers. I believe I've taken into consideration what has been said, feel free to slap me if not.. Is the extra bit of expense worth the reward?

The only item I've not accounted for in an aftermarket cooler.. not sure if to use a traditional one or go AIO.

Some other options on ram.

The TeamGroup are out of stock at the moment so would depend if you can wait for the stock or want it now. Fury ram is in stock, £20 cheaper and 6000mhz instead of 4800mhz

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £339.97 (includes delivery: £0.00)

bigdave2k9 · 24 May 2024 at 12:54

ED209 said:
Some other options on ram.

The TeamGroup are out of stock at the moment so would depend if you can wait for the stock or want it now. Fury ram is in stock, £20 cheaper and 6000mhz instead of 4800mhz

My basket at OcUK:

1 x TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FF3D532G6000HC30DC01) (SKU: MY-0B8-TG) = £109.99

1 x TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - White (FF4D532G6000HC30DC01) (SKU: MY-0B6-TG) = £109.99

1 x Kingston FURY Beast EXPO 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF560C36BBEK2-32) (SKU: MY-29T-KS) = £119.99

Total: £339.97 (includes delivery: £0.00)

To be honest, never even heard to TeamGroup Delta, which is why i went with Kingston just as I know the branding.. Always happy to try something thou, so i'll swap them out for them.

Gray2233 · 24 May 2024 at 13:39

Don't spend that sort of money on a vanilla 4070ti, it's not much more to get the faster/more VRAM 4070ti Super.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Gainward GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER Phoenix 16GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics (SKU: GRA-GNW-01537) = £769.99

Total: £769.99 (includes delivery: £0.00)

Tetras · 24 May 2024 at 13:40

bigdave2k9 said:
Is the extra bit of expense worth the reward?

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-14700K (Raptor Lake-S) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-INT-00800) = £399.95

1 x Gigabyte Z790 Gaming X AX (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BM-GI) = £199.99

1 x Kingston FURY Beast EXPO RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF560C36BBEAK2-32) (SKU: MY-29R-KS) = £139.99

1 x Asus GeForce RTX 4070Ti TUF Gaming 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-48X-AS) = £734.99

Total: £1,482.91 (includes delivery: £7.99)

Gaming and rendering is your usage, right? 2 page threads get long enough that I'm easily confused.

That memory seems pretty pricey for 6000 C36 and EXPO is intended for AMD. I'd switch to an XMP kit.

I wouldn't pay £735 for a 12GB card, the 4070 Ti should be cheaper than that. I'd either get the 4070 Ti Super with 16GB of memory so you can benefit from that for your gaming/rendering, or just switch down to the most inexpensive 4070 Super you can tolerate.

bigdave2k9 said:
The only item I've not accounted for in an aftermarket cooler.. not sure if to use a traditional one or go AIO.

Peerless assassin or phantom spirit is just ~£35 and can cool the 14700K, but you DO have to engage in power management and preferably restore the stock settings from the pre-overclocked BIOS that most boards run. An AIO is likely to be best if you're going to run this CPU at 100% load for long periods, though it depends on the AIO because some of them are no better than the £35 air cooler

For gaming, you definitely don't need an AIO.

bigdave2k9 · 24 May 2024 at 13:42

Gray2233 said:
Don't spend that sort of money on a vanilla 4070ti, it's not much more to get the faster/more VRAM 4070ti Super.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Gainward GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER Phoenix 16GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics (SKU: GRA-GNW-01537) = £769.99

Total: £769.99 (includes delivery: £0.00)

This is why i like discussion.. Tab'd up, compared, swapped out.. for the sake of £35 a worthy swap.

bigdave2k9 · 24 May 2024 at 13:47

Tetras said:
Gaming and rendering is your usage, right? 2 page threads get long enough that I'm easily confused.

That memory seems pretty pricey for 6000 C36 and EXPO is intended for AMD. I'd switch to an XMP kit.

I wouldn't pay £735 for a 12GB card, the 4070 Ti should be cheaper than that. I'd either get the 4070 Ti Super with 16GB of memory so you can benefit from that for your gaming/rendering, or just switch down to the most inexpensive 4070 Super you can tolerate.

Peerless assassin or phantom spirit is just ~£35 and can cool the 14700K, but you DO have to engage in power management and preferably restore the stock settings from the pre-overclocked BIOS that most boards run. An AIO is likely to be best if you're going to run this CPU at 100% load for long periods, though it depends on the AIO because some of them are no better than the £35 air cooler

For gaming, you definitely don't need an AIO.

That's the one.. Yup the RAM has been swapped, but i think it will be getting swapped out again for some low profile RAM, as I've found a tidy air cooler but it covers the RAM stick's so it's one or the other. If i remember right no links to external sites, but it's been compared to Noctua CPU coolers and is on par temp wise.

As above, apparently I'd chosen a vanilla version of the 4070Ti that's been swapped out for the recommendation, it just made sense.

Tetras · 24 May 2024 at 13:49

bigdave2k9 said:
If i remember right no links to external sites, but it's been compared to Noctua CPU coolers and is on par temp wise.

No, but we can link to reviews

Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO Review: This isn’t a competition. This is a massacre.

As long as it will fit in your case, this is the air cooler you should probably buy.

www.tomshardware.com

bigdave2k9 · 24 May 2024 at 13:56

Tetras said:
No, but we can link to reviews

Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO Review: This isn’t a competition. This is a massacre.

As long as it will fit in your case, this is the air cooler you should probably buy.

www.tomshardware.com

Looks good..

My father in-law is a pain.. I linked him the one in the basket below just to look at and the bugger order it.. :cry:

CAS timings, now that it has to be low profile RAM to fit under the cooler, it's a choice of 2. Kingston or Crucial.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-14700K (Raptor Lake-S) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-INT-00800) = £399.95
1 x Gigabyte Z790 Gaming X AX (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BM-GI) = £199.99
1 x Gainward GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER Phoenix 16GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics (SKU: GRA-GNW-01537) = £769.99
1 x DeepCool AK620 Digital CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: HS-01J-DC) = £69.95
1 x Crucial Pro OC 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-CRU-02219) = £109.99
1 x Kingston FURY Beast 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C40 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MY-29J-KS) = £128.99

Total: £1,686.85 (includes delivery: £7.99)

Tetras · 24 May 2024 at 14:01

bigdave2k9 said:
CAS timings, now that it has to be low profile RAM to fit under the cooler, it's a choice of 2. Kingston or Crucial.

If I was prepared to buy the Crucial memory I'd probably get the 48GB 5600 kit instead, especially as it might buy more time before an upgrade for the productivity stuff.

I like Kingston memory, but £129 for 6000 C40 is not a great deal.