Upgrading CPU/MOBO/RAM to stop bottlenecking 1080TI

nutyyy

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Hey guys,

I have an ASUS Strix 1080TI and I'm looking to upgrade my core components as i'm feeling CPU bottlenecked by having:

i5-2500K
16GB DDR3 1333MHz


My use case is gaming at 1440p on a 27" screen (Playing PUBG / Dota / Wow / OW / Sea of theives mostly) and occasionally streaming.

So far i've been looking at the following CPU's, not sure on what motherboard or RAM to get though:

I5 8400
i7 8700K
Ryzen 2 (Depending on reviews tomorrow but probably the Ryzen 7 2700)

I don't really have a budget but the fact the 8700K is almost 2x as much as the 8400 is slightly annoying.

I imagine from a longevity standpoint the 8700k or Ryzen 2 are my best bets.

What do y'all think?
 
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@southernorth is right with 8400 taking the hit for streaming ! cant afford the 8700k then go 8700+ B360 or see how ryzen 2700 performs tomorrow, though i dont think they'll be to many Non X reviews which is a shame .
personally would side with Ryzen if any streaming is taking place as more and mroe games starting to have better coding for more threads
 
Definitely more interested in the 8700k / 2700 now, if i were to get the 8700k what motherboard should i get? I heard intel brought some new mobo's for the 8th gen but don't know much, i assume one of them doesnt include OC'ing like previous gens?
 
nutyyy said:
Definitely more interested in the 8700k / 2700 now, if i were to get the 8700k what motherboard should i get? I heard intel brought some new mobo's for the 8th gen but don't know much, i assume one of them doesnt include OC'ing like previous gens?
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with the K chip your current stuck with z370 which is pretty much a rush job to get socket to work with coffeelake and add no new feaures. can see b360/h370 boards have the feature set and proper VRM design and z390 will replace the z370... though it'll be a little while yet .
But if your just gaming and dont mind this oversight then z370 should be good - everyone has their personal tastes and favoured vendor for boards and cards .

if you just want to plug and plug, i7 8700 and B360 is way to go, and slightly cheaper - no slouch either boosting all 6 cores to 4.3ghz :D
 
Can I ask why you got the i5 8400 but no 8600k in there?

The problem with the i5 8400 is its low TDP limit and that nice looking turbo clock may not be very sustainable for long due to TDP throttling.

i5 8600k has all the pros of the 8700k for gaming without some heat associated with HTT and a lower price point :)
 
chrcoluk said:
Can I ask why you got the i5 8400 but no 8600k in there?

The problem with the i5 8400 is its low TDP limit and that nice looking turbo clock may not be very sustainable for long due to TDP throttling.

i5 8600k has all the pros of the 8700k for gaming without some heat associated with HTT and a lower price point :)
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the 8400 is one of two of the best Performance Per Dollar chip intel has ever done and with 3.8ghz boost on all 6 cores is a nice welcome and any non hard core gamer/tech person wouldn't notice the difference. Intel TDP is a bit of a lie as they state it at best case test, AMD is a little more honest with theirs. and ran mine on benchmarks for over 24 hours and not throttle with a decent cooler but nothing extreme that you need to push K versions to 5Ghz

i think intels best performance to dollar chip now is the i3 8350k :D £100 cheaper then i5 7600k
 
The 8400 was more of a budget choice as mentioned above

So with the new ryzen 2 reviews looking good ive' shifted more towards them as I don't taking the small hit on gaming performance
 
8400 now has a head to head with 2600 which make them both attractive . Also ram like 8 packs 3200hz which can easily over clock to 4000hz .. just fine speed suited to board and it's bios. As of which, they are coming from vendors soon with aims to hit 4000hz which would be fun
 
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the 8400 is one of two of the best Performance Per Dollar chip intel has ever done and with 3.8ghz boost on all 6 cores is a nice welcome and any non hard core gamer/tech person wouldn't notice the difference. Intel TDP is a bit of a lie as they state it at best case test, AMD is a little more honest with theirs. and ran mine on benchmarks for over 24 hours and not throttle with a decent cooler but nothing extreme that you need to push K versions to 5Ghz

i think intels best performance to dollar chip now is the i3 8350k :D £100 cheaper then i5 7600k
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bear in mind the 8400 you see on graphs is usually paired with an overclocking board, on a non overclocking board as its expected to be paired with it "will" TDP throttle down from turbo clocks under sustained load.

So I agree its a good bargain providing you willing to get a Z series board and ramp up the watts limit for the chip. But even at those turbo clocks its still 25% slower than a 8600k at 4.8ghz.

Your argument however also applies to 8600k vs 8700k, a 8600k will perform as well as a 8700k in games but at a lower price.

Yet the 8700k is there and the 8600k not.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31753640
 
nutyyy said:
I went for a 2700x, gigabyte x470 aorus and 16gb 3000mhz ram
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Nice ! Though worth getting 3200hz ram !
Think 8 Packs is on sale and can clock up to 3600hz easily

@chrcoluk

The B/H chips are full coffeelake chipsets along with z390. Z370 was a bit of a hash job getting z270 board to work with socket tweak.
You'll see most B360 boards have equal VRM setup to z370 flagship £100 more and H370 boards like the AORUS 3 having better VRMs then any Z370 .
Had 8400 on z370 and B360 and both exactly the same in air and water with no throttling , on stock cooler yes ! But throttling is more to do with the TIM Intel used then thermal limits etc. 8700k will still throttle . Why most of us Delid it
 
I am not talking about VRM quality, I am talking about ability to adjust TDP limit in bios.

In a hardware unboxed video, you see the guy having to resort to using intel's XTU app to prevent his 8400 from TDP throttling. There was no function in his bios to do so. This was highlighted by the adoredtv guy.

z370 is a full coffeelake chipset as well, I doubt z390 will have cpu specific features the z370 does not, the enhancements of z390 will be non cpu related such as the integrated wifi module.

Also I dont think we will see B series boards have the same VRM as an asrock taichi/fatality or asus ROG. :)

Even an asus z370 strix has a noticeably weaker VRM vs asus flagship.

https://youtu.be/1Cxfl9dkeqU?t=5m21s

sorry it was an 8700 not 8400, but the 8400 is also only a 65 watt chip tho.

Actually I will backtrack obviously it depends on the load, I thnk for sure the 8400 and 8700 on stock TDP limits will TDP throttle under heavy AVX load, but if you playing say a game they will probably hold the clocks fine.
 
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@chrcoluk
The Aorus H370 pretty much has better VRM then all of them . And expect to see that type on z390

And the z370 isn't full coffeelake chipset as b360/h370/z390 don't use third party controllers with USB etc, they have done away with them and also include Intel's new WiFi module/standard which z370 doesn't :)

Also in the video are they using stock cooler or aftermarket cooler ?
 
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