US election 2012

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After months of bitter campaigning it's time for the US to vote for their next president. The US gets particularly crazy in the run-up to a presidential election, but it will all be over soon.

It will be a close election this year. Current polls suggest that the candidates are near neck-and-neck in the national polls, but that President Obama has a slight advantage in the key swing stages that are key to winning the electoral college, and with it the presidency.

Recent weeks have seen Ohio, Iowa, Colorado, Virginia and New Hampshire swing between a "toss up" and "leaning Obama" on the Huffington Post Electoral Map. North Carolina has swung between "toss-up" and leaning Romney. Florida has been consistently too close to call for weeks, with a slight advantage to the Romney camp (less than 1%) for the most part. The remaining states have remained firmly in the hands of one candidate or the other.




Click for more state-by-state detail




Mitt Romney needs to win the majority of the swing states in order to achieve victory. But in a close election anything can happen (remember Bush vs Gore 2000?). For Pres. Obama's staff, the primary concern at this stage seems to be getting supporters out to vote. Huge queues for early voting in Florida, Ohio and other swing states are causing concern for the Democrats.


It's fair to say that international opinion strongly favours Obama, as it almost always does with the Democratic candidate. While Obama's policies would be considered right-wing in most of Europe, he is positioned as one of the most left-leaning US Presidents of recent times, for example making moves towards universal healthcare ("Obamacare") - something we Europeans take for granted.

As well as the Presidential race, the congressional elections are underway. Here the Republicans seem to be on course to retain their advantage. There are also 33 senate seats up for grabs, and this race is a lot tighter. If the Democrats lose their majority in the senate then it could seriously hamper a second-term Obama presidency.


Either way, barring lawsuits or recounts, it should all be settled tonight. I'll be up late to watch the process in action, and I'll aim to update this post as the winner in the various states is called.
 
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When you say "polls suggest" and "early indicators suggest" and "X is 2 points ahead", how is this all worked out? :)

There are dozens of polls conducted every day in the swing states in the run-up to the election. As can be expected, they all give slightly different results, though they tend to converge somewhat as election day approaches.

Taking this mass of data and extracting meaningful information is not a straightforward task. The Huffington Post filter the "snapshot" polls through a poll tracking model (more information here). If you click on the link in the original post, and click on any of the states, you will see a more detailed breakdown of the poll results in each state.
 
What time do the results start coming in? Early Wed morning?

The east coast states that are firmly in one camp or another should be called late tonight. It will be the early hours of Wednesday before the eastern swing states or the west coast states start reporting.

By Wednesday morning UK time we should expect to have a winner.

Edit - beaten by simulatorman :p


Obamacare will not provide universal healthcare. Far from it. Take a good look at the policy and you'll see it's laughably inadequate by the standards we're accustomed to in Australia, the UK, etc.

Absolutely - hence my use of the words "making moves towards" universal healthcare. It's a far cry from what we have come to expect in Europe, but it's still a step too far for a lot of Americans. Romney has said repeatedly that he would seek to immediately repeal the bill upon his election.
 
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It does seem that people vote not for the party or candidate they support, but against the one that they hate.

About 37% of votes for Romney are votes "against Obama", it seems:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnnorc-poll-shows-37-of-romney-vote-is-votes-against-obama/

Do you think a third middle ground party could ever emerge?

No... I really can't see it happening, short of some major fracture in one of the existing parties.

The support for each party is far too heavily rooted. Families are typically Republican / Democrat, and bring their children up in the same way. Political affiliation becomes part of a person's identity - irrespective of the actual policies proposed. Neutral / undecided voters are very much in the minority in the US.
 
Some seem to suggest it isn't as close as the media have lead us to believe as it's much more interesting this way.

All of the statistics dramatically favour an Obama win. The past two weeks or so have consistently seen this position strengthen, with his so-called "firewall" holding strong in key swing states (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, Iowa).

The popular vote is a much closer run thing and could go either way, though it seems that Obama can be expected to come in with around a 1% advantage here as well.

The main thing that could scupper Obama's chances in the popular vote is disruption in the Democrat-leaning eastern states that have been hit by hurricane Sandy. Damage to infrastructure is causing some problems for people trying to get to the polls.

At this stage I really can't see Romney winning the electoral college. He needs to pull 3-4% from the Obama vote in a number of swing states. It would be "a statistical anomaly" if this were to happen, suggesting that the hundreds of polls taken in the last couple of weeks were not representative of reality.
 
It would probably shock a lot of people to know that the Republicans consider Romney a moderate candidate :p

By Republican standards, he most certainly is - do doubt about it. As was John McCain in 2008.


We could have seen Rick Santorum as a candidate. Now that really would have been scary... :eek:
 
I liked McCain. Couldn't agree with all of his policies, but he was the best Republican candidate for decades. He was more of a gentleman than Romney will ever be.

Agreed. The most moderate and reasonable Republican candidate to emerge for a long time.

If only he'd beaten Bush to the Republican nomination in 2000...
 
Paddy Power were doing 1/6 for Obama and 4/1 for Romney. I was going to steer clear of betting, but 4/1 was too tempting to pass on in what is essentially a 50/50 race.

Hardly 50-50.

The hundreds of pre-election polls show that Obama has a fairly tight lock on the electoral college. Romney may win the popular vote, but it won't win him the election unless he pulls back somewhere in the region of 3-4 points from Obama across the swing states.

By historical standards it will be a fairly close race, yes, but it would be something of a statistical anomaly if Romney takes the election. 4-1 odds for him is extremely generous, and is likely driven more by people basing their bet on the media coverage than by any careful analysis of polling data.
 
At the risk of creating a partisan flame war, I don't believe anything that the NYT says, and it's well known that Princeton is a liberal hot-bed.

It's not about partisan bias one way or the other - it's a matter of cold hard statistics based on polling data.

Besides, if it really was a case of liberal bias, the thing to do would be to talk up Romney's chances and scare democrats into getting out to vote.


As for Thomas Dewey in 1944... he didn't have the massive volume of statewide polls that we have now. Just look at how many hundreds of polls have been conducted in Ohio and Florida alone!
 
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Hah, I'll just stick to BBC. I'm not needing to refresh multiple websites so I get the result a couple of seconds before anywhere else.

Well, I'm going to be working through the night tonight (yay for deadlines and procrastination) so having the TV on isn't really ideal. Refreshing a page every few minutes is ideal for me - plus I get the raw information without listening to cringe-worthy analysis of every minute detail :p
 
Florida is looking interesting... With 3 million votes in, Obama is leading by 52.0% to 47.3%.

There's a long way to go yet, but Florida is a state that Romney *must* win to have any chance at the electoral college. All of his "paths to victory" assume a Florida win. It's been leaning slightly towards Romney for weeks, and if he can't take Florida there isn't much hope of taking the other swing states that were showing 2-4% leads for Obama.
 
It's tightening up a little (ooh-err) - 50.8 vs 48.5 now.

But I agree with you - if Florida goes Obama, you might as well go to bed :p
 
...aaand Florida swings back towards Romney (51 to 48) with 5 million votes in. I guess it was never going to be that easy :p

You guys might be up for a while yet!
 
Florida votes counted have passed fifty per cent, and it's an absolute deadlock.

Yep - it's certainly tight! Obama has been (very slightly) ahead for quite a while now though.

It was always going to be close in Florida to be honest... If the polls were to be believed it was the only state that has been truly "too close to call" for the past week or so. I really expected Romney to edge it in the end, but I'm not so sure now!
 
Seems the Republicans will take both the House and the Senate. Can't see Obama being able to do much. If Romney can get the popular vote the Republicans can pretty much govern with or without the presidency.

The house was pretty much a foregone conclusion, but as far as I can see, the senate race is going reasonably well for the Democrats? They've gained two seats already, and seem to be on course to maintain their majority.
 
Florida is tight as a ducks ****!

The lead is swinging from one candidate to the other by margins of around 1000 votes.

Virginia is a surprise... I thought that it would go to Obama with a slim margin, but with over 50% of the votes in he's trailing by 4 points. Not looking promising for the president there. Of course, if he wins Florida than Virginia doesn't matter in the slightest.
 
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