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Just to keep this stuff out of the Chauvin thread which is about an ongoing trial not any other random police incidents I thought I'd create a separate thread fo that stuff, here are some of the talking points, pls carry on discussing them in here if you want to instead of in the thread that has little to do with these incidents:

America is so messed up, it must be a terrifying experience to be stopped by the police.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56707979

I know its the daily fail, but its swings and roundabouts in the US

Above you have a copper being an a hole.

Below you have a copper being executed on a routine traffic stop

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...9-jumps-truck-shoots-dead-New-Mexico-cop.html

Also just watched Sky News do their recap of the trial and wow talk about one sided.


You have a very twisted mind.

Anyway the cop has been fired so clearly his bosses don't agree with you.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1381507427661660160?s=20

He put his hands back into the car at least once, and he had ample time to remove his belt and get out of the car which he lawfully had to do. He of course has the time to start recording on his phone, but somehow can't unbuckle his belt?

Police: "Open the door slowly, step out. Open the door."
Army Officer: "I'm not getting out the vehicle, what's going on?"

The full video clearly shows him not complying way before the spray was used. He wanted to make a big deal out of it, and he got his wish.

etc..
 
When potentially every police encounter involves someone who could be armed............country has made its bed with guns and is now reaping the rewards.

True but this officer went too far with the mace/pepper spray - he was way too hot-headed etc..

The driver didn't stop immediately but went slowly to a well-lit petrol station which is fair enough - but this seemed to annoy the officers who believed he didn't have plates displayed (he had some temp plates) and that plus the tinted windows lead them to treat it as a high-risk stop.

The driver didn't help himself when he decided to play dumb with them both initially and later in the incident. There was an element of the stupid contradictory orders/Simon says type game we saw with the police shooting in the hotel a while ago - this time they wanted him to simultaneously keep both hands out of the window but also open the door and exit the vehicle.

The main cop was way too angry, out of control with the pepper spray and that combined with the publicity has lead to him being sacked.

The army officer upon encountering the angry cops has likely milked it a bit, he knew full well what he was supposed to do during a police stop but he also knows that with body cameras and CCTV in the petrol station then as a black guy confronted with some idiot, out of control cops then playing dumb could pay off for him too.
 
Ah yes, the moment they pulled up and drew their pistols he knew he had them right where he wanted them :p

Well generally if police have drawn guns and are shouting at you to get out of a car it is a good idea to do it. You can argue the toss over whether they were right to stop you etc.. afterwards.
 
Just quoting more posts so people know about this thread:

So your cherry picking because you probably watch too much fox news. Funny how actual statistics completely invalidate your claims.

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As you need it pointing out:

Leftists who use violence = Antifa, BLM etc (summer 2020 riots)

Leftists who use corruption = Democrats

Leftists who use racism = Historically vis slavery, Jim crow are the democrats and not with critical race theory, creating more racism.

Its all about race.... the white race with you isn't it.
 
As you noted they alternated orders of keeping hands out of the car and get out of the car. While pointing guns at him. Are you really thinking about a fat compo payout in that moment.

No not in that moment, in general though he was uncooperative and he's not some random idiot, he's an Army officer who knows full well how to comply etc.. Have you ever been on a US military base for example? They have security forces that behave like cops and will pull people over for speeding, everyone gets briefed about them and how to behave etc... that you don't immediately exit the vehicle unless asked and if they do ask then you exit and follow instructions etc.. He's not some random naive person, he knows what he should do and he was actively playing a bit dumb at times there. That isn't to excuse the actions of the hot-headed officer but just that it is pretty self-evident that he's non-compliant.
 
It seems in the latest incident in MN, where a guy was shot during a traffic stop (turned out he had a warrant out for his arrest so he didn't comply, tried to speed off etc...) the officer actually meant to shoot him with a taser and somehow managed to draw her firearm instead and shoot him with that! Doh!!!!

 
"Daunte Wright shooting: Brooklyn Center city manager fired after call for due process for police officer"


Now the he assumes power of police department.

That guy has gone to far now.

Just looking at his Twitter feed - it's funny how these things are now "peaceful protests" again...

It's like everyone in the US has trouble recognising riots these days:

If BLM/Antifa then the riot is a: "fiery but mostly peaceful protest"

If MAGA guys/militia lunatics then the riot is a: "coup attempt"
 
Attacking the Capitol building and trying to hang the Vice President is a bit different to randomly smashing up places...

Yeah BLM/Antifa never rioted in DC... never said anything threatening towards Trump...

definitely "peaceful protests" when they do it and not riots but loads of hyperbole when MAGA loons and militia guys riot

not sure when you think anyone "tried" to hang Pence tho...

Back in reality both right-wing loons and left-wing loons are prone to rioting
 
Looks like the officer who shot Duante Wight by accident is being charged with second degree manslaughter.

Don't see that one going the full hog in court, as I don't think the officer intended to cause his death at the time as she thought she had drawn her taser.

Manslaughter is unintentional though - I mean I guess the case is going to be a bit more clear-cut than others at least. I guess the question for the jury is simpler there and just whether that sort of mistake is sufficient for a manslaughter conviction etc..
 
Should it not be a matter of muscle memory?

Let's presume that the two guns look and feel the same, then logically placement of each should be important. For instance a taser could be mounted on the chest while the firearm would be mounted normally at the side. If not that, then just opposing sides.

Yeah, that should help, a completely different action then to draw each one - or just make the drill for drawing a taser explicitly involve a motion to look at the thing and confirm it is a yellow thing you're holding...

Like literally in their annual tests or whatever they do - go through the drills and make sure they're seen to look at the taser or announce to the instructor that they're looking at the taser to check it is a yellow thing they're holding. Same could be applied to any training scenarios where they're assessed - pull them up every time they draw a taser and don't explicitly look... could even make it a verbal thing... instead of saying "taser taser taser"... they could add in say "taser drawn" (to be announced once the officer has explicitly looked at the thing and seen it is a yellow taser) then "taser taser taser"

there are a whole bunch of idiot-proof things they could do here to reduce the chance of this sort of thing.
 
This is the cause of most of the drama surrounding these shootings - I absolutely agree that US police have behaved appallingly in some incidents, the focus though of outrage and rioting tends to be when the suspect is black (or sometimes when brown).... so much so that one media outlet even put an explanation up re: why the'yve mentioned race when a shooting involved a white person:

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I'd usually be rather skeptical about people moaning about "MSM lies" etc.. but when it comes to race and especially when police killings are involved then it seems like a valid criticism.

No mention of a knife in this initial NPR tweet:


Fortunately, the bodycam footage is clearer - we don't need a Jacob Blake situation where the sex offender had turned up at his victim's house they did try to taser him twice (which didn't stop him) then shoot him just before he stole his victim's car (with their kids inside - the victim was his ex!). That prompted a load of "say his name/BLM" nonsense and various sports teams taking a knee for him.... a sex offender turning up at his victim's house with a knife! The coverage was so much that various people on social media seemed to think he'd been killed (he's very much alive and with a 7 figure payout thanks to gofundme + doesn't seem to have been charged over the incident either now).

Now we have this - she was apparently 15 last night and unarmed:

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But now she's a year older, built like a brick **** house (relative to the other girl) and in the process of trying to stab someone.... screw that, this isn't something that should be national news, this is pure race-baiting nonsense.

Now look at what the NYT does to Ben [race baiter] Crump's tweet:

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When they could actually report the cull context of the comments and then make the obvious correction. He's commenting on an apparently unarmed 15 year old and that isn't what happened.

It seems like, if you want more honest opinion pieces on this area you'd need to turn to smaller publications that value a bit more rigour and intellectual honesty over hype - this story by Coleman Hughes again seems relevant:

https://www.city-journal.org/reflections-on-race-riots-and-police

His conclusion is grim:
A third factor (not unique to America) is that we live in the smartphone age. Which means that there are millions of cameras at the ready to ensure that the next police shooting goes viral. Overall, this is a good thing. It means that cops can no longer reliably get away with lying about their misbehavior to escape punishment. (And that the claims of those accusing police in such situations will face objective video scrutiny.) But it also means that our news feeds are perpetually filled with outlier events presented to us as if they were the norm. In other words, we could cut the rate of deadly shootings by 99 percent, but if the remaining 1 percent are filmed, then the public perception will be that shootings have remained steady. And it is the public perception, more than the underlying reality, that provokes riots.

Combine all three of these observations and one arrives at a grim conclusion: as long as we have a non-zero rate of deadly shootings (a virtual certainty), and as long as some shootings are filmed and go viral (also a virtual certainty), then we may live in perpetual fear of urban unrest for the foreseeable future.

It is the media that controls a lot of that aspect, most of the general public is borderline innumerate when it comes to the stats - "all lives matter" types will point out that more white people are killed, "black lives matter" people will point out that black people are killed at a higher rate relative to the population.... in reality, what we should be more interested in is relative to police encounters, or perhaps more specifically (at least when it comes to shootings), police encounters involving violent suspects.
 
This is interesting, body camera footage is shown here, she actually tried to stab two girls, one who got pushed to the ground and who another man (presumably her dad or he mum's boyfriend) kicks in the head and another who was just standing by a car holding a dog... all in front of the police. no self-defence aspect here by the 16 year old regardless of any claims that she called the police in the first place.

Also, the male immediately kicks off at the police when he hardly discouraged it and was involved in the attack himself, he could have held her back when she pulled a knife out, especially with police on the scene.

https://heavy.com/news/makhia-bryant-body-cam-video/


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last one is just before the police shoot her, as she's about to stab the girl:

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And the guy in the hoody, who just booted a girl in the head on camera, immediately starts gobbling off at the police like it is their fault.... I really hope he was arrested, he directly contributed to this.
 
So a girl who was about to stab another girl was shot and killed?

Not quite sure what the officer should/could have done. But the 'bad' person paid the price, so to speak.. Of course I don't know what the girl in pink did to provoke the other girl, so not saying she's completely innocent either.

Well at the time the officer arrived the girl in pink was stood by a car minding her own business when the girl with the knife came running down the drive, pushed over the first girl then lunged at the girl in pink with the knife.
 
I've watched this repeatedly and is it possible she picked up the knife from the ground instead of trying to stab the woman on the ground? That could be her self defence angle. I can't see where she first gets the knife.

Maybe with the fat girl who went to the ground, with regards to the girl in the pink, there isn't any self-defense angle, she was literally just standing there by the car... even if she'd been involved in something earlier, she's on a public sidewalk, stood there, not attacking anyone... it's at best retaliation.

Looks to me like the dude to the right hands her the knife? Not sure where it came from before that.

Turns out she was in foster care - I'm wondering if he was her carer? Didn't stop her biological mum, who didn't even witness the incident, from appearing in front of the cameras.
 
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