Used/cheap audio setup?

This might not be exactly what you're wanting to do, but how about going for a 5.0 setup and then adding the sub in a month or two?

You can pick up solid 2.0 setups like the Wharfedale Diamond 9.1's for around £30-60 a pair depending on the condition they're in. Having a quick look you can pick up the 9.CS centre for under £70-80, then whichever sub you decide to opt for. Of course this is just a suggestion, there's plenty of speaker combinations you could opt for, it just seems like you'll get more for your money in the long run. I saw your thread in the MM and it wouldn't be much more than you're looking to spend for the initial (sans the sub) setup.

Yeah, I've been considering it, the problem I face with that idea at the moment, is I basically don't have the space for such large speakers (and I know they aren't even that big!). So for now I'm looking for something a bit smaller, and then when I have a more established office space, I may be able to actually get something more substantial.
 
Definitely not: Sony, Samsung, LG, Creative, Logitech, Philips, Bose, Denon, Panasonic, Technics, Gale, Eltax, Pioneer, Onkyo, Acoustic Solutions, anything to do with PC manufacturers and the peripherals relating to them,

Possibly, but you need to do your homework carefully:
- Yamaha
- the brand makes fantastic electronics, and on occasions some excellent speakers which mostly stay in Japan. We're not in Japan though, and Yamaha has found it very hard to compete with the British brands that could arguably be considered the best in the world at small speakers. Most of what we get as Yam sub/sat systems in the UK then is cheaper surround kits sold as starter packages to partner AV receivers. You buy, you run for a while. Then, when the short honeymoon period is over, you start looking again for something better. Only buy a Yam 5.1 set if you're hard up for funds and you're not in to music.

- Boston Acoustics - American brand Boston were one of the first to make tiny satellites the size of Bose cubes but that actually sounded okay. The Soundware series is a lifestyle type product range for homes whether sound is wanted but speakers must be discretely hidden. The clue is in the shape of the satellites; they're a box but shaved to fit in to the ceiling corners of a room. That's just about the worst place you can put a speaker, but it's what the lifestyle market wants.

The fact that the satellites have a tweeter and a midrange driver (albeit only small; 2.5" dia) puts it streets ahead of Bose with their 3" mid driver trying to be a tweeter too. However, these are not speakers for those interested in music as well as movies.

- Cambridge Audio - there have been several approaches to making a single small driver that does treble as well as midrange. Bose just took the smallest driver they could find in the 80s, disregarded the fact that it wasn't very good for treble, but went ahead and marketed the crap out of it so pulled the wool over the eyes of three generations of consumers. At the end of the 90s Mission, Wharfedale and TDK of all companies(!) had a go with something called NXT technology.

The idea here was to add a voice coil and driver magnet to any rigid flat-ish surface and by vibrating it to to turn it in to a speaker. If you'll forgive the pun, the principle is sound. It's basically what a speaker driver is minus the diaphragm suspension and cabinet. There was talk about putting this to work in passenger aircraft cabins for both noise reduction and speaker use. The tech is used though for high-end invisible speakers in architecture. The problem for Mission and others was getting the balance between cost and performance compared to traditional drivers. The tech died a death. (More on this in the Mission segment below)

This brings us to Cambridge Audio and others using something called BMR drivers. This is current tech. It's a bit like a hybrid of NXT with a conventional speaker. The cone is no longer cone shaped but a flat rigid plate made out of a light-weight but stiff honeycomb sandwich. There's a conventional suspension to allow the driver to move. The driver voice coil is larger than for a conventional driver of the same size. Partly, this helps with the rigidity.

BMR drivers get much closer to the idea of a midrange driver that can do tweeter frequencies, but it's not perfect yet. Cambridge Audio Minx satellites use BMR drivers. On the plus side, they throw a really wide image which means a very broad sweet spot where you can sit and get decent sound. The negative is that the top end isn't as sweet as a conventional tweeter/mid combo. These are a bit too new to find in the bargain basement pricing range.


- Mission - This is a brand that has been around from the peak of the stereo Hi-Fi era in the 70s and 80s. They've made a massive range of speakers. Some were class leading for their time. Others were far more pedestrian. Opinions vary a little but there's general consensus on what's good and not-so-good from their ranges. Read some reviews.

For sub/sat systems Mission dabbled with NXT tech. They has two product offerings. At the higher end it's the M Cube system. You can think of this as a forerunner to BMR driver systems. There was also a more budget-oriented system called FS-1, and then its replacement the FS-2. All of these are great for movies unless you have a brittle sounding amp (late 90s / early 2000 Denons). M Cube is passable for music but FS in either -1 or -2 variant should be left out of the running.



Fairly safe bets:
Monitor Audio, Mordaunt Short, KEF, Tannoy, Canton, Wharfedale, Jamo, JBL, Q Acoustics, ELAC (not to be confused with Eltax or other variants created from bad spelling such as Eltex), Acoustic Energy (not to be confused with Acoustic Solutions)




All of the above is painted with a very broad brush. Personal preference plays a part too. KEF is a good brand, but I'm less than enthusiastic about their early generation Egg speakers (HTS2001). I find them dull and lifeless unless driven at high volume. Someone else might disagree and love them
 
Right. The avr 1909 arrived today. It's bloody huge! Managed to get it under my desk, on top of a crate to keep it off the floor. Wired in the front and centre speakers, and plugged in the digital cable I have (since my rca splitters haven't arrived yet), managed to find the right source and voila! I have working speakers again. Not tried the other two yet. Spent enough time under my desk now, need to do some work, have a coffee etc, but it's wonderful to not need headphones again.

Next step is rca splitters and and an actual 5.1 setup.
 
Upto a 5.0 setup now :D. got 6 B&M VM1s from the MM. Having to leave the centre speaker off the stand, since it's in front of my monitor, and if it's on the stand, it cuts off the start bar from my vision. Will try and find a way to raise my monitor an inch or so, so I can put it back on the stand. Once I get the power cable for the woofer, I'll be setup! Without the woofer, it's hard to say if it's better/worse, though I'm sure it's better. Will start to push the system a bit more in the future!
 
OK, going to try here too.

Got a second hand logitech z680 (I know, booo hiss), the amp/woofer recently made some noises, then smelled of burning, and no more sounds :(.

Now, I'm working on the assumption that the 5 speakers still work, they're rated at 8 ohms I believe. Could I look to pickup a amplifier and still run them? I guess I'd need a woofer too. Or perhaps get 2 decent bookshelf speakers to take up the slack (and keep 2 of the satellites at the back etc?).

Or buy a second hand 5.1 system with a proper amp etc (there's a few available on ebay etc).

Don't have a ton of funds available, so really looking to do this as cheaply as possible.

Main desire is to still have 5.1 sound. I'm not a massive audiophile, don't need perfect pitch etc, but I do enjoy surround sound in some games etc, and that's really what I'm after.

What's your budget realistically?

Honest you can get some crazy crazy good deals on auction if you are happy to look. I've got probably about what was 2ks worth of equipment for less than £500.

Good 5.1 set, solid amp £50 - 100, and an old asus xonar dx for like a tenner, (with dolby digital live) and you're golden.
 
This might not be exactly what you're wanting to do, but how about going for a 5.0 setup and then adding the sub in a month or two?

You can pick up solid 2.0 setups like the Wharfedale Diamond 9.1's for around £30-60 a pair depending on the condition they're in. Having a quick look you can pick up the 9.CS centre for under £70-80, then whichever sub you decide to opt for. Of course this is just a suggestion, there's plenty of speaker combinations you could opt for, it just seems like you'll get more for your money in the long run. I saw your thread in the MM and it wouldn't be much more than you're looking to spend for the initial (sans the sub) setup.

Think about sub later yes. You might not even need/want one.

The amount of audiophiles that have said to me ahhhhh man you gotta have a sub. I tried a kef sub, then a rel as apparently the kef wasn't good enough.

Both times was a constant faff having to turn bass down for neighbors. Couldn't enjoy movies, sure as hell wasn't going to enjoy music. My iTunes volume of tracks is often all over the place anyway haha
 
Think about sub later yes. You might not even need/want one.

The amount of audiophiles that have said to me ahhhhh man you gotta have a sub. I tried a kef sub, then a rel as apparently the kef wasn't good enough.

Both times was a constant faff having to turn bass down for neighbors. Couldn't enjoy movies, sure as hell wasn't going to enjoy music. My iTunes volume of tracks is often all over the place anyway haha

He's already bought some B&W Satellite style speakers and a sub I think, not a bad deal either actually.
 
So I got a denon avr 1909 receiver for £42, that came with the audessy mic (seen those for sale on ebay for £25 alone), and 6 BW vm1 speakers, along with a cambridge audio sub woofer (for £164 all in including delivery, £64 was delivery!). I've not yet used the mic setup process, I've used my pc software to setup distances and volumes of each speaker so it sounds correct. I'm sure the mic could do a far far better job of cleaning up the sound, but for now I'm definitely happy!

Sound is clearer than what I had, and I think I've got a good crossover level set with the sub, kicks in nicely to add oomph!

In the next 12 months I guess, I'm hoping to move to a more permanent room, where I'll have a bit more space, and will definitely take the time to get everything correctly setup just right, could easily introduce the 6th speaker to rear centre too.
 
So I got a denon avr 1909 receiver for £42, that came with the audessy mic (seen those for sale on ebay for £25 alone), and 6 BW vm1 speakers, along with a cambridge audio sub woofer (for £164 all in including delivery, £64 was delivery!). I've not yet used the mic setup process, I've used my pc software to setup distances and volumes of each speaker so it sounds correct. I'm sure the mic could do a far far better job of cleaning up the sound, but for now I'm definitely happy!

Sound is clearer than what I had, and I think I've got a good crossover level set with the sub, kicks in nicely to add oomph!

In the next 12 months I guess, I'm hoping to move to a more permanent room, where I'll have a bit more space, and will definitely take the time to get everything correctly setup just right, could easily introduce the 6th speaker to rear centre too.
Wooooow see yeah exactly what I was talking about. Lot of speaker for your money! Use the setup mic right away - only takes around 5 mins to complete and I found on my onkyo anyway it sounded much better than my pc manual setup.
 
Wooooow see yeah exactly what I was talking about. Lot of speaker for your money! Use the setup mic right away - only takes around 5 mins to complete and I found on my onkyo anyway it sounded much better than my pc manual setup.

Think it requires 5/6 different positions to sound out for this model. I honestly don't think I've got the room to do them all! I'll look into it again though. For now I'm enjoying having noise again.
 
Think it requires 5/6 different positions to sound out for this model. I honestly don't think I've got the room to do them all! I'll look into it again though. For now I'm enjoying having noise again.
Haha enjoy the noise for sure!

Well if it's anything like my onkyo you just move it around to one point, it plays a sound for about a few secs, then you move it to the next position. I do mine every time I move a piece of furniture now hahaha ocd
 
Haha enjoy the noise for sure!

Well if it's anything like my onkyo you just move it around to one point, it plays a sound for about a few secs, then you move it to the next position. I do mine every time I move a piece of furniture now hahaha ocd

I'll give it a try. I work with a sit/stand desk though, with the centre speaker moving up and down with me, whilst the rest sit on the floor (rear are on a taller stand). I'd probably do it for sitting position, since when I'm standing I'm normally not watching films or gaming, so don't mind that much if it's not all perfect. Won't make an enormous difference either way.
 
Think it requires 5/6 different positions to sound out for this model. I honestly don't think I've got the room to do them all! I'll look into it again though. For now I'm enjoying having noise again.
These prices have deffo made me want to upgrade though - I'd love an amp with 4k passthrough and Bluetooth. And networking.
Most amps come with the hi fi movie stuff like dts master audio dolby pure etc
 
I'll give it a try. I work with a sit/stand desk though, with the centre speaker moving up and down with me, whilst the rest sit on the floor (rear are on a taller stand). I'd probably do it for sitting position, since when I'm standing I'm normally not watching films or gaming, so don't mind that much if it's not all perfect. Won't make an enormous difference either way.
Eh? A sit stand desk that moves with you? I'm lost hahaha
 
Eh? A sit stand desk that moves with you? I'm lost hahaha

Basically a desk that has a motor and can raise or lower it's level. So I can either work sat down, or raise it up and stand at it. The centre speaker is sat on the desk in front of my monitor, so that one travels with the desk/me :D. Been trying to use it more standing recently, I have back issues from posture (and sleep position, and being stupid enough to go back to playing rugby in my mid 30s).
 
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