Useless NHS

[Minstadave]

The NHS is fighting a losing battle, as new treatments come out everything gets more an more expensive, operations can cost £75,000, drugs can cost £10,000 a year plus, with so much demand rationing is inevitable. Thats why they will only have specialists around at certain times, and you have to wait for a slot on the overused MRI scanner.

Yeah the country does pay for the NHS but that doesn't mean it must provide some unlimited service on a very limited budget.

 

[Werewolf]

That is poretty bloody poor

I bet it will turn out that whilst the specialist was there, the number of nurses trained/certified/required by management were not there

Hope your mum gets better soon

 

[locutus12]

Most Doctors would agree with you there, but most of the red tape is trying to stop litigation, the bureaucracy in the NHS is monstrous.

Best thing to do is contact the hospital management and demand an explanation, they're usually pretty good at trying to fix things.

this is true actually, The doctors, nurses, and managers are all routing for the patient and if they can fix something to make it more effecient, they will usually try, but they are being buried by Whitehall in an avalanche of rushed reforms and ever tightening expenditure due to the over half a billion pounds of debt the NHS has, which the government says is down to "bad management” but which everyone knows is down to bad communications from the government and ministerial incompetence.

 

[rotters]

I will defend the nhs for what its worth as i work bloody hard to make my deptartment run!


Im a decent senior nurse with a very caring attitude, anyone going to say anything positive in this thread at all?

I know the sysytem has its faults, i cant argue that but slagging off the nhs gets its employees down a lot. not like i can **** of all the tech heads here for drinking coffee and playing pc games when at work. (i realise gross generalisation)

Edit: ive seen a couple of positives now
we do try our best a lot of the time.


rotters

 

[oneilldo]

I went to A&E and got an xray of my bruised foot and was home within two hours. Tis because we are british and we all love a good moan. Good news is no news.

 

[frosty03]

please note,

There is no shortage of doctors or nurses or other staff in the UK. Notice the unemployment in these various sectors and the various redundencies for hundereds of staff. Doctors are leaving the UK for australia because of the lack of posts, nurses are retraining after being made redundant, and medical secretaries are being sacked due to "financial recovery" schemes.

There is no money to pay for actual clinical staff, the ones who are actually saving our collective behinds when things go bad. There is however, a seemingly bottomless pit of money for the "admin" and "managers" to make the numbers add up.

Come to your own conclusions.

 

[rotters]

indeed would be nice to see a im delighted with the service thread once and i while, but hey if we dont deserve it we wont be getting it will we..........!



rotters

 

[rotters]

please note,

There is no shortage of doctors or nurses or other staff in the UK. Notice the unemployment in these various sectors and the various redundencies for hundereds of staff. Doctors are leaving the UK for australia because of the lack of posts, nurses are retraining after being made redundant, and medical secretaries are being sacked due to "financial recovery" schemes.

There is no money to pay for actual clinical staff, the ones who are actually saving our collective behinds when things go bad. There is however, a seemingly bottomless pit of money for the "admin" and "managers" to make the numbers add up.

Come to your own conclusions.

completely correct my trust layed off 100 nurses and with another large pot of money built a new cardiac wing and it now is looking to replace those nurses!

also still have friends from 18months ago with physio degrees who cant get jobs! polish physios have come over and have to work a year for free and guess which my trust has taken on!


rotters

 

[frosty03]

completely correct my trust layed off 100 nurses and with another large pot of money built a new cardiac wing and it now is looking to replace those nurses!

also still have friends from 18months ago with physio degrees who cant get jobs! polish physios have come over and have to work a year for free and guess which my trust has taken on!


rotters

if you want to open that can of worms, i will gladly pour it out for all to see.

With the expansion of the EU, and "globalisation", local british workers are in for unemployment you have yet to see. You will soon have east european nurses, doctors, physios eager to come to the UK for a better quality of life. They will gladly work for anything you give them, since whatever you pay, the minimum wage is still a tidy sum in their currency. The british quality of life is also very desirable. So far, this has been largely confined to the doctors and nurses, where to date, you have loads of staff from south east asia propping up rotas for fraction of the cost.

Now, with the EU laws in full swing, this lot of EU nationals, will find it even easier to come to work in the UK. Employers faced with financial "difficulty" will turn to the cheapest form of labour around. You already can find such practices in take aways, and other forms of labour intensive industry, where foreign nationals are preferred to locals because you can get away with paying them less. Foreign workers are also usually more "docile" and less likely to "enforce their employment rights", perfect for managers. UK graduates in medicine, nursing, physio or other allied fields are in for a rough decade.

 

[rotters]

where to date, you have loads of staff from south east asia propping up rotas for fraction of the cost.

completely agree with all bar this as they are on the exact same contract as me, same hourly rate same 7 weeks annual leave.
another issue with the philapeno's is that they where brought here on short term contracts which where made permanent and now most are british nationals since sitting their exams. but most of their wages goes home. leaving a lot of british nurses unemployed.

southampton university this year has dropped its intake by 200 because of the excess nurses sitting around being retrained to do other jobs.

i completely agree with the rest though.


rotters

 

[Minstadave]

You do realise that a few years ago we were actively encouraging, and giving incentives to foreign doctors/graduates to come over here and work to fill our shortage. After leeching this resource from a country we can hardly turn round and reject them now? (there is a specific term for this, i cant remember ?)

The government is currently shafting all the immigrant doctors right left and centre, there are thousands of Asian doctors finding themselves out of work and out of visas now the shortage has been filled by increased UK graduates.

 

[rotters]

i dont "see" any of them no the wife gets funny about those kinds of things. but yes i see a lot of student nurses at the general, i mentor about 15 a year i suppose. but on average we have 1000 students in the general at any one time.
so chances on me knowing your mate = 0, lol.

what course did you end up doing?
rotters

 

[Tommy B]

Do you want to know something funny?

I've been doing work experience in an NHS surgery. Nearly all of the "New Patients" joined in the last few years are foreigners; obviously immigrants.

The NHS will collapse eventually.

 

[HangTime]

I can agree with you there, my mum had a fractured spine from bone cancer.
Solution?
"Here, take this prescription for painkillers and come back in a week"

Not necessarily any better in the private sector however.

My sister had a lot of problems with her back for a couple of weeks, and with the NHS seemingly going nowhere we decided to pay for a private consultation and tests. Even that didn't pick up the fact that the pain was caused by cancer eating away at the spine, as they didn't expect that in someone so young. It wasn't until she ended up in A&E that it was taken seriously and the necessary tests were done, 5 weeks after originally going to have it looked at.

Now, due to the fast-spreading nature of the cancer, one can't help but wonder if she had been diagnosed earlier, whether she might have a possibility of living, or at least be in less pain.

One thing I would say about the NHS, is that their problems aren't solely down to them being 'useless'. Money makes the world go round, and for example they are reluctant to conduct some tests, or administer certain medications unless they feel it is absolutely necessary. In the case of my sister, scans which officially had a waiting list of months suddenly became available within a day or two, once the severity of the case became clear. Likewise they tend to start patients off on cheaper medication (anti sicknes pills etc) to see how they fare before moving on to the more effective stuff.

This isn't purely speculation on my part, since apart from my experiences with my sister, my girlfriend is a staff nurse (same hospital as Rotters as it happens) and has explained how these things can work.

Overall I think the NHS do an OK job. Not fantastic, not terrible, just OK. I think we now live in society where we take healthcare for granted and believe that many conditions should be easily treatable. But all the scientific progress we have made in the art of medicine doesn't come cheap, it's not like the old days where there were limits on our expectations of what healthcare workers can do. Let me put it this way - there are illnesses which say 50 years ago would often be fatal, which are now dealt with by NHS staff with a high degree of success. We have moved forward, regardless of whether there has been a decline in efficiency.

 

[rotters]

can i for one say im really sorry to hear about the cancer, it is a truly evil thing whether large or small.

i hope that the paliative care team help her with the right medicines to make her comfortable.


where does your gf work in the general pls?


rotters