If you were to hit ketosis for a week only then yes, most would be water based (and some other stuff), so yes, you would put it back on.
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If you were to hit ketosis for a week only then yes, most would be water based (and some other stuff), so yes, you would put it back on.
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It surprises me that so many people see ketosis and low carb diets as "quick fix" diets. IMO they dont work particularily fast, little faster than low cal'ing but not much. Rebounding after a diet is all about what YOU do when you come off a diet. If your strong willed then you could easily starve off a shedload of weight then drip feed calories back into your diet to avoid metabolic rebound. However this would be of no use to athletes/BB's because too much muscle is lost in starvation (although i have had discussions elsewhere on the merits of steroid aided starvation, interesting concept), It IS however feasable to starve weight off without gaining it back, the same goes for weight lost by other extreme diets like keytosis.
Think about your body in the third person, when you diet 'your body', lets call him Bob, is trying to save your life, keeping you fat and alive until you're of no biological use to the species, say age 50 or so. Bob will do everything he can to prevent fat loss, and in the event of fat loss he will attampt to slow down loss as much as possible. Preparing as he does for a potential onslaught of calories resulting from you chancing upon a woolly mammoth or some such feast.
In order to prevent Bob from reaching his biologically sane goal (and for you to reach your, rather insane, goal of being lean and muscular and technically on the verge of death were there not a tesco down the road and a clever device called a fridge in the next room) you must go to war with Bob and outsmart him. Fortunately you are cleverer than Bob as, much like Neo in the Matrix, you dont have to play by the rules, some can be bent, others broken.
One way to do this is to Manipulate your hormones (naturally or synthetically) in order that Bob believes he is doing the right thing even when he isnt, raising testosterone convinces Bob he needs to be leaner and more powerful for hunting, conversley raising oestrogen causes Bob to want to retain weight for mothering, fag. Controlling your diet, exercise and supplementation accurately helps to alter these chemical balances in your favour, tricking poor old Bob into bending to your every whim, but he's a funny old chap Bob, cunning even where he seems simple, 3 weeks without carbs and as you walk past the dognuts in your local store you'll hear a small and persuasive voice at the back of your head, "kill, KILL!" it says, followed, hopefully for you and anyone who knows you, by "the doghnut". Ah that Bob, what a character.
Next week on adventures with Bob....
Think about your body in the third person, when you diet 'your body', lets call him Bob, is trying to save your life, keeping you fat and alive until you're of no biological use to the species, say age 50 or so. Bob will do everything he can to prevent fat loss, and in the event of fat loss he will attampt to slow down loss as much as possible. Preparing as he does for a potential onslaught of calories resulting from you chancing upon a woolly mammoth or some such feast.
In order to prevent Bob from reaching his biologically sane goal (and for you to reach your, rather insane, goal of being lean and muscular and technically on the verge of death were there not a tesco down the road and a clever device called a fridge in the next room) you must go to war with Bob and outsmart him. Fortunately you are cleverer than Bob as, much like Neo in the Matrix, you dont have to play by the rules, some can be bent, others broken.
One way to do this is to Manipulate your hormones (naturally or synthetically) in order that Bob believes he is doing the right thing even when he isnt, raising testosterone convinces Bob he needs to be leaner and more powerful for hunting, conversley raising oestrogen causes Bob to want to retain weight for mothering, fag. Controlling your diet, exercise and supplementation accurately helps to alter these chemical balances in your favour, tricking poor old Bob into bending to your every whim, but he's a funny old chap Bob, cunning even where he seems simple, 3 weeks without carbs and as you walk past the dognuts in your local store you'll hear a small and persuasive voice at the back of your head, "kill, KILL!" it says, followed, hopefully for you and anyone who knows you, by "the doghnut". Ah that Bob, what a character.
Next week on adventures with Bob....
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aye thats the big mistake people make, keytosis takes a while to 'bed in' so its important to maintain it, coupla slices of bread will completely break the concept, keytosis needs to be maintained for a minimum of 4 weeks and i wouldnt reccommend it for anyone over 20%bf as results may not come quick enough to make the effort worthwhile
What about if you're cutting out carbs but also maintaining a calorie defecit?
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what else would you be doing? If you cut carbs and maintain a caloric excess you will still gain weight...
yeah but surely if you're maintaining a calorie defecit regardless of whether you're not in ketosis or not, you're still losing body fat?
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You lose body fat ONLY because of caloric deficit,it takes more energy to break down fats than carbs. Also when looking to lose body fat the important thing is to keep the body lipolytic (breaking down fats for energy) this happens both in normal dieting and in ketogenic dieting. The theory behind ketogenic dietings benefits (and remember its all theory and anecdote there is no real 'proof' of the diets benefits) is that being in a state of permanent ketogenesis places higher demands on the bodies metabolic systems to constantly break down fats for every bit of energy it requires. This raises your maintenance calorie level and thus increases your daily fat loss. The downside of which is that in not eating carbs the body is far more likely to metabolise muscle to, 1) save energy and 2) replenish vital compounds required for making important cells (like blood cells) which cannot all be made from fats.
IMO however the real 'success' of ketogenic dieting is down to the more subsidiary effects on the body, supression of appetite and the psychological effect of being able to eat high fat foods like cheese, cream and meat are far more contributary factors in overall weightloss than the ketogenic mechanism itself, the bi product of the actual process and its metabolic demands is simply the ability to get away with higher calorie intakes due to the raised maintenance. You must still however remain in caloric defecit to lose weight.
So are there any benefits to having a lower carb diet but also being out of ketosis?
if you are in a kcal deficit then yes.
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As long as you are below your maintenance calorie level then it dont matter if you eat chocolate all day you will lose weight, end of story. Things like keytosis are just refinements that aid speed of weight loss
Think its been dumbed down a bit too much there, yes what matters most is being in caloric deficit in terms of losing weight or not.
However the difference in the progress of someone eating chocolate all day and someone eating a ton of meat/fish and fibrous green veg/berries to the same caloric intake, lets say 2,300kcals, would be FAR from minimal. That isn't even taking in to consideration any form of weight training or CV exercise, which again would push the results even further away from eachother
*Just to throw in my 2cents on the thread in general...The V diet does 'work' when followed, however I don't agree with it or really think anyone should follow it. It just isn't 'healthy' as such and I think someone following a more sure and steady method would feel better for it 6months down the line compared to someone who followed the V-diet for a month at the beginning of their training
However the difference in the progress of someone eating chocolate all day and someone eating a ton of meat/fish and fibrous green veg/berries to the same caloric intake, lets say 2,300kcals, would be FAR from minimal. That isn't even taking in to consideration any form of weight training or CV exercise, which again would push the results even further away from eachother
*Just to throw in my 2cents on the thread in general...The V diet does 'work' when followed, however I don't agree with it or really think anyone should follow it. It just isn't 'healthy' as such and I think someone following a more sure and steady method would feel better for it 6months down the line compared to someone who followed the V-diet for a month at the beginning of their training
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