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WJA96

WJA96

WJA96

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I've just built up this V600B as a mini-server and I'm sort of regretting it - gotcha's so far:

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The Blue Orb I bought fouled the back of the case, so I've had to go with a Golden Orb - it's fine though as the processor is a stock P4 940

The HDD rack only takes 3 drives so I've had to fit one into the bottom 5.25" bay to give a 4 disk RAID 10 setup

I cannot find anywhere to hide all the cables so the interior looks like carp

It's running pretty hot - I was going to reverse the side fan and make the case positive pressure like my PC3-725 but you can't as it's a special fan so you can use the 'Patent' mechanism to adjust it left and right.

I might have to do my own 'Patent' modification to get a decent fan blowing some cool air in there front and back.

The sharp-eyed amongst you will notice that I am using the two gaming rigs 'Game Boy' and 'Game Girl' as a table to work on. I really should have more respect!
 
Yeh, and considering what the case table is made of no love lost from me. :p

It is asking for it though putting that much gear in one, I was thinking more along the lines of a great case for a started build, or just as office rigs.

Is a bit OTT for the case, but it does show it has the potential to hold that much kit, albeit not to well.

Compared to a PC7+ it does seem inferior in that respect, but it looks quite nice if only in silver. :p

If you were putting in a very basic rig with 1 hdd etc how would you rate it?
 
Dude that looks a right mess :eek:

Just a thought, could the psu be turned the other way so hot air is being sucked away from the cpu area and out the rear?

Not sure if that would help as there cant be much airflow in the case now.
 
It'll be fine - I just have to fit it with a pair of YS-TECH FD1238's (both blowing in) and we'll be away.

For 1 HDD it would be fine. The best thing about it is how small it is.

And I would have posed it on top of the PC3-725, but it would have blocked the fans and everything would have gone pear-shaped and it's not pleasant seeing a grown man cry ;)
 
Then you have picked the wrong case for what you want to do with it!

Quite amazed with what you have fitted in there though, would never have considered more than two hard drives in that case.
 
CaSh_MoNeY said:
Dude that looks a right mess :eek:

Just a thought, could the psu be turned the other way so hot air is being sucked away from the cpu area and out the rear?

Not sure if that would help as there cant be much airflow in the case now.
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It is a right mess. But it's difficult to see how to tidy it up.

The PSU is oriented the correct way around as the 92mm orb cooler blows down - it would conflict with the 120mm fan in the PSU. The PSU runs very cool indeed though!

The real issue is that the fans are underpowered - they are lovely and quiet, but they move very little air. The more powerful YS-Techs will pressurize the case and there is ample exit venting to allow the air out.
 
Yewen said:
Then you have picked the wrong case for what you want to do with it!

Quite amazed with what you have fitted in there though, would never have considered more than two hard drives in that case.
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That seems quite harsh - anyone can buy a server case and stuff it full of HDD. I prefer something a bit more stylish and not everyone wants a square box for a server.

And why did they supply 3 slots if it only has cooling for 2 HDD? The fact is that the HDD are not the issue - the problem is the poor cfm rating of the standard fans.

It just needs tweaking.
 
WJA96 said:
That seems quite harsh - anyone can buy a server case and stuff it full of HDD. I prefer something a bit more stylish and not everyone wants a square box for a server.

And why did they supply 3 slots if it only has cooling for 2 HDD? The fact is that the HDD are not the issue - the problem is the poor cfm rating of the standard fans.

It just needs tweaking.
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Did not mean for it to come across as harsh at all, sorry mate!

Just saying I personally think you are asking a lot of the case, I would not personally attempt it as it sounds to much like hard work to get it all running sweetly and tidily in that case.

I never like filling up the hard drive bays, prefer a little bit of space between my drives, just always have.

It just seems as though the rig you have in it at the moment, would be more suited to a v1000+ rather than its smaller sibling, and that the generic office PC is more suited to the v600. Just the way I see the v600 really, same goes for the G50.

Have you had chance to try a G7 yet as I can't find them anywhere to even get a look at?
 
G7? I don't know that one. I'll have a quick look on the web site and see...

Ah - It's a PC-7 where they're ruined the airflow!

I think I'll give that one a bodyswerve actually ;)

I've got a rig out there with 6 HDD in a Silverstone '08 and no issues with heat at all. I built a 4 HDD system in an ASUS PH-1 case, again, no heat issues.

This V600 case definitely has cooling issues way beyond 4 HDD.
 
Raikiri said:
4 HDs in the smallest full ATX case I have seen... asking for trouble maybe? :p
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Surely this isn't the smallest full ATX case you've seen? Most desktop cases are full ATX and they have much less spare airspace than this thing does. I think it's bigger than a PC-7! It's a normal tower case turned through 90 degrees so it's low and deep rather than tall and shallow. It's actually quite a big case, but they've wrecked the airflow somehow. 24 hours and some big, slightly louder fans will fix it.
 
CaSh_MoNeY said:
Yea sorry i wasn’t aiming that at you, i understand you dont have many options in there.

Modular PSU maybe? would give you some cable management at least.
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I have to admit - I was expecting a bit more sympathy :rolleyes: - but yes, I'll try it with a Hiper in there. I'm hacksawing 0.1" off of one side of the Blue Orb at the moment so it will fit - I think having a 120mm fan will make a big difference to the airflow over the surface of the motherboard.
 
I was thinking about this little case purely because of its compactness. I decided to go for the older and bigger version.

What are your actual temps out of interest??
 
Hmm i'm not sure why you're having heat trouble, i have the same case here with all 3 hdd bays in use and its running much cooler than my old modded PC68. I have the PSU mounted the other way around to you so that it's pulling air from the CPU/mosfet area, have you tried doing that? I know it could be argued that it's 'fighting' the cpu for air, but it is definately the most efficient setup in my testing at least. This is what i have in my case....

2x seagate 250gb hdd's
1x maxtor 120gb hdd
a64 3200 @ 2.2 stock vcore
9800pro
1x dvd-rw
x-fi platinum

2x stock lian li fans @ 7v

Here are my temp's as i write this... (old case used to run around 28-30'ish most of the time)

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The system is a P4 940 so it would be expected to run a bit hotter than your Athlon 64.

I also have 4 Hitachi 7200rpm HDD running in RAID 10 off an Adaptec hardware SATA RAID card.

The graphics card is a passively cooled Nvidia 6200.

I think one key factor you may be missing is that I am deliberately stress testing this system so I have been running 2 threads of folding at home and I am running a batch script that repeatedly executes a search of a large zip file on the HDD subsystem. I also have the Air Conditioning turned off so it's about 35C in here with 6 PCs running. In other words it's not your average office/games PC situation!

Anyway - after 12 hours running flat out the case temperature is 38C, the processor temperature is 63C (from the CPU diode) and 57C (direct measurement off the base of the cooler) and the graphics card heatsink temperature is 75C. The PWM heatsink temperature is 65C. The HDD shells are 40C, which I would expect as they are sat in front of a fan.

I did try the PSU oriented around the way you suggested, but the CPU temperature increased by another 5C and the PSU case temperature went from 30C to 50C, which is way too high for a key component like a PSU.

As a guide - every temperature in this case (apart from the CPU) is 10C higher than an equivalent system running in an Eclipse with 3 YS-Tech fans.
 
Those temperatures you are getting are still fine though, but it does show the cooling in the case is not up to a SLI rig.

You are comparing it to a Eclipse, comparing it to a v1000+ on air which sits between the two for most rigs it is not to bad.

I am now wondering if the G50 would be any better, when I saw the two cases with very similar designs I had a gut feeling one would be a lot better than the other.

Although if that is the top temperature you can get the case to it is not that bad, do you have any idea on what the room temperature is?

Housing one in a air condition server room it would probably do a lot better; we all know you have a few lying around your house. :p
 
The room temperature was a steady 35C (I do have AC in my home office as I have so many PCs in there it would otherwise be unbearable) and the AC was turned off.

I now have swapped the 2 120mm Lian-Li fans (1 inlet, 1 extraction) with 2 Thermaltake Thunderblades. Just by feel I reckon the Lian-Li's were about 50-60cfm/min and the Thunderblades are quoted at 84cfm. They certainly feel markedly more powerful. Both fans now blow inwards. The processor temperature has dropped 7C, the case temperature has dropped 10C and the PWM temperature has dropped 15C! I have 2 YS-Tech 125cfm fans coming tomorrow and they will hopefully give me a bit more, for not a lot more noise.

In addition my 'mod' which involves using 4 Acousti-mounts to fix the 'patent' fan to the mounting bracket means it can be slid about at will, which is much easier than the 4 thumbscrew solution supplied by Lian-Li.
 
Weird i would have thought having 2 fans blowing into the case without anything pulling out would have made the problem worse, just goes to show. Glad you're getting a better result anyhow.
 
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